. >> dave, listen, i've gone back and forth with my friend boone pickens on this, right, and i agreean to a point and i prefer the free markets to federal regulation. however, you know, too, that the private sector is not going to build pipelines without government help. we've seen that with keystone, they need the approval, and they won't build out the gas stations on the private side. you'll need the government involvement somehow, aren't you? >> well, actually we work with the public utility commissions in each of the states so they are the ones that, you know, provide the rate mechanisms, and i think there's innovative approaches that they can use to expand the current infrastructure. and we get requests every day, how can you take natural gas and make it available to all americans? we provide -- our members provide natural gas to 177 million americans, so we've seen the increased demand. at the same time there are opportunities, and you talk about transportation, and boone pickens is a good friend as well. there, we're talking about are there incentives, but i think in this curr

. >> boon pickens tried to make the logical argument to bring u.s. energy policy about.en incredibly frustrated with washington and thrown up his hands and gone around and around. he points out that every president back to nixon talks about how we are going to get some sort of energy policy and eventually get to u.s. energy independence and it's never happened. it's been such a difficult goal. >> like gun control. that's never happened either as obvious as it is to probably all of us. the administration is looking for ways to accelerate job growth. this is an important one. >> i think it's an important one, i don't know if you had time to do some of these 2012 predictions. >> sure. >> that least the list i have here is all five. i don't know if we have the other five. in 2012 you did pretty well. >> don't say it with such astonishment. >> extraction of oil and gas from shale and rock a game changer. joe, i'm not sure if you thought that was a surprise. >> which one? >> i give him credit for that. >> earnings of american corporations continue to move higher driving standa

and the 21-year-old grandson of oil tycoon t boon pickens has died.ody was found inside of an apartment close to texas christian university where he was a junior. no word on what caused his death. gretch? >> gretchen: how horrible. thank you. approximately one in eight women will be diagnosed with breast cancer in their lifetime. new research may help treat that disease in the future. according to a new study, out of thousands of patients, a lumpectomy with radiation was more effective than a mastectomy when treating early stage breast cancer. the doctor is chief of breast cancer in durham, north carolina, part of a team that conducted this study. good morning to you, doctor. >> good morning, gretchen. it's wonderful to be here. >> gretchen: thank you so much for joining us. amazing results of thiswhat into look deeper into the difference between lumpectomy with radiation and mastectomy? >> it's not new news that there are two major ways to treat breast cancer surgically. so the first involves lumpectomy, which for those of you who aren't familiar wit

to be fair to boone pickens, but he was arguing for was the federal mandate that commercial vehicles had to use gas and would provide subsidies to switch the engine over. that is not terribly different from what barack obama thinks about, with using solar batteries. happy dreams and unicorns stre. do we need guidance from the department of energy or any sort of federal policy? can the market take care of it on its own? >> it ought to be decided in the marketplace. a lot of this takes a long time. horizontal drilling took 20, 30 years. the time it takes to produce confirmations. it ought to be decided in the marketplace. everybody converting over too cheap, natural gas for their cars? the fact is that it is not always going to be cheap. once people start paying highway taxes like you do for gasoline, that is suddenly going to get more expensive. already you cannot recover your cost of those conversions. certainly do not need all us to pay for those conversions. the problem will be solved in the marketplace, particularly with what is available to us as a resource base today. and that i