state department says the russian troop presence on the boredder is is the largest since last fall anded russia of beefing up the air defense system inside eastern ukraine. the pentagon spokeswoman saying that arming the rebels is a blatant violation of peace deal signed in february by vladimir pun and other leaders. joining me to talk about this and the breaking news of russian headquarterses getting into the pentagon network retired general sedrick layton. a one-time deputy director for training at the national security agency good to see you again. >> good to see you too shep. >> is this more of the same on the part of the troops by putin in the east or is there something bigger happening? >> well, i thi putin's plan. it's part of -- it's an outgrowth when it comes to the invasion of crimea and the eastern part of ukraine the part he has got with the help of his rebel forces there. but what we're seeing here now is the next phase and the next phase will probably begin sometime as early as next week or maybe in the next two or three weeks. all depends on what they can get away with a

how do you look at what the administration and the government is doing, trying to secure the boredder what are the most important factors from your perspective? >> this is my third iteration of a border security bill. either i'm really bad at legislative drafting or this is very tough nut to crack. secretary alluded to that a little bit. each time we've decided to craft legislation when it comes to border security, we have animated three questions. what does a secure border look like, how do we get there and how do we measure success. let me unpack those a little bit from the hill standpoint. what does a secure border look like? you have to have end state. this is what i'm shooting for. this is my goal at end of the day. you can work backwards from the goal but he need a goal first. last congress, 90% of the operational control. as chief knows well, he testified before the subcommittee, he could achieve 90% operational control in high traffic areas. we took what he said and that was standard and we ran with it. that is the standard we chose last congress. this congress, 100% is consis

. >> how about your ability to secure our boredders? >> we do the best we have with the process we go through. >> i'm asking how it affects your ability to enforce our borders. what is the matter with you today? this is pretty straightforward question. i want to know what sequestration, how it affects your ability to enforce our borders? >> i said it makes more difficult and more challenging. i have a number that i can put on it. >> okay. chief fisher, general kelly also said, and i quote terrorist organizations could seek to leverage those same smuggling routes to move operatives with intent to cause grave harm to our citizens, or even bring weapons of mass destruction into the united states. that's general kelly the commander of southern command's testimony last month before the armed services committee. do you share that view? >> yes, senator i do. >> would you elaborate? >> yes senator. i had mentioned earlier in terms of the 2011 strategy to combat transnational criminal organizations and in particular the convergence wherein that