there's a thing called the national borelli database that has run out of the national institute of standard and technology where a lot of the vulnerability sharing is done. liesyl? >> i think an important aspect of that is the ongoing dialogue i mentioned between the various parties on an ongoing basis on just of something happens. and there's also the notion of responsible disclosure that's been worked on over time between government industry about how to disclose something at least publicly that at the right time when it allows you to take action to defend themselves but also doesn't subject, you know, the environment to be exploited without protections you put in place so there's a lot of dialogue required, the mechanism for that on a consistent basis. you know, there's going to be times when there is tension between a disclosure or not and that just seems to be worked out as quickly as possible. their finances wear the traditional ways of disclosing have been overruled by the dialogue that took place. >> i'm going to go to the goebel moderator now. actually the first two questions, how

preoccupied with that ended in a way that was imprudent that backfired so their hands came to be tied borelli's they came to be constrained by the network of laws and court decisions became about on these issues. i think that's like chips notion of a stop president because and i quoted a couple of examples i think of that to illustrate how obama really reserved judgment on some questions, i don't think he has proposed the notion of authorizing one of these interrogation techniques he has thoroughly condemned because of the circumstances may arise going back to the point about version necessity, that is what presidents can't. it could happen. >> i just want to make an observation about the bush presidency often portrayed, bush and cheney both overplay their hands and national security front. but from the perspective of congress, they were basically invisible and an argument could be made in that they were almost irresponsibly hands off of in terms of how they manage congress or interactive with congress to the extent i think it really damaged or republican party. all bush had to do was via a spe