-- why artist borglum chose him.e chose him because of the louisiana purchase, doubling the size of the country. lincoln, you configure that -- can figure that out. the challenging one, theodore roosevelt. selected by the artist, but he wasn't the most popular guy at the time. borglum selected theodore roosevelt because of the panama canal. he expanded, went into international. he also was the president standing for the common man. both of those things resonated with the artist. >> two of the four were slave owners. does that engender discussion? you talk about that in your protection of these presidents. -- your interpretation of these presidents. >> there is discussion about that. there is not as much discussion as you might expect. it is certainly something we step forward and are talking about. all of our interpretive programs -- anytime you hear about a park ranger presenting programs -- they did their own research and do their own presentation. we don't focus on one thing in particular, it is the passion of the