that is what the tories from boris johnson onwards did but— tories from boris johnson onwards did buthout reforming them, and the civil service needs huge reform, it hasnt— the civil service needs huge reform, it hasn't been reformed for far too long. _ it hasn't been reformed for far too long. it _ it hasn't been reformed for far too long, it needs much more market discipline. — long, it needs much more market discipline, he needs to be far more focused _ discipline, he needs to be far more focused driven, and civil servants know _ focused driven, and civil servants know that, — focused driven, and civil servants know that, but it needs leadership, and another mistake than keir starmer, _ and another mistake than keir starmer, why did you wait for so long _ starmer, why did you wait for so long before appointing the new head of the _ long before appointing the new head of the civil_ long before appointing the new head of the civil service? —— another mistake — of the civil service? —— another mistake from keir starmer. no prime minister— mistake from keir starmer. no prime minister i

why boris johnson? why borisjohnson? well boris johnson is specialfor why borisjohnson?he one of the first western leaders who came to kyiv when the war started. he showed courage and support for ukraine at the time we needed more. so for many people in ukraine, borisjohnson, is a symbol of solidarity. as you mentioned, the main setting of our movie was in the train, so we realised it would be amazing if he appeared in some moments in our movie. and at the same time we understood it would be really hard, because he is quite a busy person, he is a former prime minister, and so our partners from the ukrainian railways, they know about our idea and once they called to us and said ok guys, we have information that probably one day he will be in kyiv again and if you still want to involve him, please prepare some documents, some ideas and we will get him in. one day, again, they inform us that he has agreed. for us it was amazing, it was a little miracle. i think ukrainians will with be happy to see him. yes, this is or story. i will with be happy to see him. yes, this is or

both with the blunder of boris johnson but with— blunder of boris johnson but with the _ blunder of boris our plan for change the most ambitious and credible programme for government in a generation. we embrace the risk that comes with it. if there was — that comes with it. if there was no _ that comes with it. if there was nojeopardy, there was no resistance, no blockages or impediments for us to remove, then— impediments for us to remove, then as — impediments for us to remove, then as sure as night follows day, — then as sure as night follows day, that— then as sure as night follows day, that will be a sign that we are _ day, that will be a sign that we are not serious about delivering change. and i will never— delivering change. and i will never do _ delivering change. and i will never do that. the mandate was the change and change is what we will— the change and change is what we will deliver. applause so to those who still need to hear it, change and reform are coming. hear it, change and reform are cominu. . , . hear it, change and reform are comin-. . , . , hear it, change and ref

he's not a fun guy, like at least bofis not a fun guy, like at least boris johnson. don't think he was a good pm, but he was a good mayor. he was a great, fun mayor. >> unfortunately, he was a classic example of the peter principle. he should not have been promoted beyond that stage. but he did well at mayor and they thought, oh, maybe he could, you know. >> but there are a few boris johnson projects that were kind of wasted millions the, the high pressure hoses and the bridges should have been allowed to use those. >> they should have changed the legislation. they should. it should have been like one of those things where you could have bought it now, like, oh go on then. yeah. the daily telegraph 18 i think you have so pubuc telegraph 18 i think you have so public we have the pm knighting again and then we have public sector takes three times as many mental health sick days. >> so this is interesting to me because when i worked for the pubuc because when i worked for the public sector as a teacher, i was an ardent social. >> do all your bits. start with this, with

and when you start citing people, well, why not cite boris johnson? is victory." that's what he said. that's a quote. "and the mistake...", again, another quote. "the mistake has been not to escalate "that war early enough." and especially interesting, "we are waging a proxy war." and he was saying, "we", we is in this case, i don't know, his buddies, his friends. it's a proxy war and it's admittedly a proxy war. that's what borisjohnson admitted. so who's fighting here? are we really here the proxy paying for everything and maybe even sending soldiers there? no. my party says no, we shouldn't do that. so you are selling to the german people, with an election looming, this notion of neutrality in the face of the threats that your own intelligence and military services point out coming from moscow. that's a choice you've made. it's not an all... this is not an all—out neutrality. i was just talking about that very war. mr boehringer, it's a choice you've made. and as we end, i want to build on that idea, you're neutral. i'm not talking about leaving na

she's best known for lockdown parties under boris johnson's for lockdown parties under borisjohnson�*as a priest after a bbc news investigation whch found he'd allowed a priest to return to ministry, despite being banned over sexual abuse allegations. justin welby, the most recent archbishop of canterbury, resigned for similar reasons. the archbishop of york, who is due to take his place, is resisting calls to resign for his handling of a sex abuse case. you're live with bbc news. after months of deadlock, israel and hamas appear to be moving closer to a gaza ceasefire and hostage release deal. a senior palestinian official told the bbc that ceasefire talks were in a "decisive and final phase" — and israel's defence minister said an agreement was closer than ever. joining me live is david makovsky, a distinguished fellow and director of the koret project on arab—israel relations, at the washington institute for near east policy. cautious optimism i believe is the term here — how close to an agreement do you think these negotiators actually are? well, it's now reported _ negotiators ac

difficult questions, but equally, boris johnson teetering on the brink after the partygate revelationsmps from all parties in the house of commons, nonetheless, they do not get very long to do follow—up questions, so if the prime minister can keep talking, perhaps some of the inquisitors may run out of time. so we should have a bit of expectation management that keir starmer will be used to legal processes, courtrooms, and this when he will get cross—examined, but it will not necessarily be for quite as long or as intensely as you might imagine. 50 long or as intensely as you might imagine. so expectation management _ might imagine. so expectation management there. _ might imagine. so expectation management there. we - might imagine. so expectation management there. we are i management there. we are expecting that to happen just within the next few minutes. just checking the live shot, not quite ready yet in the liaison committee. we expect them to be talking for about an hour and a half. we arejust seeing some live shots coming through, so i may have to interrupt you. we will cross ov

so he might have asked, and we reminded him that a couple of years ago, keir starmer said to boris johnsonlawbreakers can't be lawmakers. he was referring to partygate and what had gone on in downing street through covid. but i put that to pat mcfadden and this is what he had to say. but it's not the case i that anyone who's ever broken the law ever can't serve in parliament. - i'm sure if you looked i around parliament you'd find more than one. i don't know— everybody's background. if it's fine, why did she have to go? as i say, i don't know the details of... - why do you think? ..every conversation that took place - at the end of last week. but clearly between them, they came to the view that louise had to resign. and what i think is a contrast between the way that this i situation has been dealt - with and some other situations in the past, is that it's been dealt with very quickly. - we've got a new secretary of state, heidi alexander. j is keir starmer a hypocrite because he gave a lawbreaker a job in his cabinet? having said that two years ago. no, he's not. are there still questions

secretary is priti patel, who was the home secretary when legal and illegal immigration went up in boris johnson'snd a lot of people i spoke to in both of the main two parties after that pmqs on wednesday said, "hang on, i think the real winner of that session for anyone watching was reform, because you had the two establishment parties knocking lumps out of each other over who was more culpable for numbers that many people aren't happy with. 0ne quick point i think we should make as well, just when we're talking about... make it slowly, because we want to hear. well, no, i... that's why you're here. which is when we talk about the political debate on immigration, i think we should also reflect because it often gets missed. there is a chunk of the british public, though not as big, who support immigration, who believe that it's good for the country, who believe that talking in the terms that even the labour party do about immigration is to demonise migrants. they think that we should have safe routes so that people who are crossing the channel can come here in large numbers. they think that legal

for a while it was broadening but all of a sudden stocks a boris johnson their 50 day moving average, free falling to under 40%. is this a red flag, yellow flag, a white flag? what does it mean to you? >> i like white flag. yeah, i think we need a correction, and we should get a correction of about 10% but that just means a correction. it doesn't mean this bull market is over and i think you really, what i don't understand are what you say technology is done because if technology is done the whole markets done. so we will continue to see growth. i think that will continue to drive stock prices and we saw some broadening but really when you look at where you want to be focused as a portfolio manager or any investor, you want to be focused on technology and as i've talked about, the old economy company that have pivoted to the technologies, and that's what we've been doing. charles: on that note before i let you go, often folks come up with their favorite stock of the moment maybe favorite stock of the year. you've got the stocks of the decade, right? from 2020 to 2030, amazon, broadcom

the success of right-wing politics, boris johnson, berlusconi.they all have the perception of being a starchy far-right down the line conservative because their personal lives are so florid. nobody can say those guys will be judgmental on cultural issues because their own lives are not. he benefits in some ways with voters from being the opposite of the christian coalition burton dent -- button down tight. >> sounds like anybody can join the trump campaign, he does not judge you. it is its mindset. like republicans are telling you how to live. it used to be republicans are telling you how to live and democrats want to tell you how to live. somehow, it got flipped three democrats are telling you how to speak. what to say in public. republicans are like, come on in. >> is a dynamic with the podcasts, it all comes together with the fascism argument made. he will go on podcasts and talk about sports and to be a regular guy, like, this is not hitler's. it in -- it is not land in the same way and inoculates him from dark language from the democrats. >>

i had a conversation with boris johnson six or eight months ago but i was at dinner with him and with him i might estimate that hey could you confirm a rumor mr. prime minister could you confirm the rumor that the commander-in-chief of the united states joe biden, you called him and asked him to stay an extra five days, just five days and so while the brits could get out and boris johnson tomey chairman green i remember exactly exactly where wire up was when i made the phonecall and asked for five more daysd and president biden told me no. this is our greatest ally on the planet. dissipating in the red sea with when few others would. i pull the wounded british guys off the target in iraq. their blood was on my hands. and i'm going to tell you that relationship, it's one of our greatest if not our greatest and get we slapped them in the face and said no if you don't get five extra days to get your people out. this according to the prime minister. i find that unconscionable. and senior leaders at dod have come here and testified in senior leaders at dod have testified on the half and to

but i mean, look, boris johnson, for example, gave a whole lot of honours to aides of his in downingorganising covid breaking parties. but they all do. >> and, you know, and that's not necessarily fair. well, it's true that those who did well, you saw i mean, they may not have been they may have been involved in some of the parties that would have broken the rules. >> but they were, they were, they were organising them. and then if you look at the life peerages, for example, david cameron gave out 243 life peerages in his time, compared to 34 only for gordon brown. i mean, these things are used as as a way of rewarding people who've done the right thing. i'm in favour of honours. i'm in favour of people being rewarded in public life for what they've doneis in public life for what they've done is they've done a good job, but there's no independent assessment as to who should get these honours. so do you think he deserves one? >> having said what you've just said there, they've done a good job. >> yeah probably not. but i mean, neither do a whole lot of other people have got honours. >

and boris johnson told me, chairman green, i remember exactly where i was when i made the phone call. i asked for 500 more daze -- five more days and president biden told me no. this is our greatest ally on the planet participating in the red sea with us against the houthis when few others would. i pulled wounded british sas guys off the tarmac in iraq. their blood was on my hands and i'm going to tell you, that relationship is -- i mean, it's one of our greatest, if not our greatest, and yet we slapped them in the face and said, no, you don't get five extra days to get your people out. this according to the prierm minister of england at the time. i just -- i find that unconscionable. and senior leaders at dod have come here around testified. senior leaders have testified on the hasp and told us, we were telling the state department four, five months in this draw down period, get your stuff together, and they didn't. why? >> mr. chairman, i hope you'll give me time to respond because i dispute virtually everything that was said with great respect though for the member and particularly

as we're hearing that speaker mike johnson is meeting with minority leader hakeem jeffries? >> yeah, boris, i've kind of lost track of which letter of the alphabet plan we are on at this point, it seems like house republicans had gone back and forth several times this morning and into the afternoon about how they wanted to approach this. but where things stand right now is they are eyeing putting a bill on the floor that would include a spending bill until march 14th. farm aid, disaster aid, and that they would vote on it under the suspension of the rules. and what essentially that means is it requires two thirds majority of the house. that means two things. they have to make sure that democrats are supportive of it in order to get their votes on this package. and it's going to be a huge question whether or not they can maintain a majority of their conference on a vote like that. we know that one of the steps in this process was going to be mike johnson needed to have a conversation with donald trump and his team about what was in this package, whether they were supportive of it because wh

. >> on today's show, boris johnson has sensationally claimed that sir keir starmer must apologise for misleading the house at pmqs early today. >> for these comments. >> for these comments. >> mr speaker, i gently remind her that two of her predecessors had convictions for to break, for breaking the covid rules . for breaking the covid rules. >> sir keir claimed two of his >>i >> i love that festive jingle. >> i love that festive jingle. >> a very , very good afternoon >> a very, very good afternoon to you. >> it's 3 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show here on gb news. we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster and all across the uk. >> on today's show, boris johnson has sensationally claimed that sir keir starmer must apologise for misleading the house at pmqs early today. >> for these comments. >> for these comments. >> mr speaker, i gently remind her that two of her predecessors had convictions for to break, for breaking the covid rules . for breaking the covid rules. >> sir keir claimed two of his predecessors had convictions for breaking covid rules, but, crucially,

i mean, she's not on the scale of boris johnson. let's be clear.not that kind of tory lying . not that kind of tory lying. we're not talking about proroguing parliament and lying to the queen. but i mean, is it a spent conviction? yes. yeah . a spent conviction? yes. yeah. so i mean, that kind of to me, that's the sticking point. if it was an unspent conviction, that's different. >> but do you think that starmer like has he lost his judgement. i mean he's got two cabinet ministers, one of which has allegedly lied on her cv and misled the electorate. and the other one has a fraud conviction that he's now saying in his team is saying they had no idea about. so my question was, is he incompetent or is he just lying? >> well, he'll say as a legal man that he has spent conviction doesn't need to be talked about anymore. right. and we all believe that under the law, then why should justice and why has she been sacked? because. because it's inappropriate. and it's about we have set moral standards for politicians. and if they fall short of them, then they

we've got peer of the realm and former adviser to bofis realm and former adviser to boris johnson, lordveer, ranger and former top labour special adviser paul richards. lots to get through . my solution lots to get through. my solution to immigration. straight after the news headlines and sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> mark thank you. good evening. it's just gone 9:00. these are your headlines from the gb newsroom. syrian president bashar al assad is in moscow with his family and has been granted asylum on humanitarian grounds. that's according to russian state media. it comes as people are emptying the streets as rebel forces impose a curfew in damascus after taking control of the capital, marking a dramatic fall in assad's regime and forcing him to flee. us president joe biden has called it a moment of historic opportunity for the long it a moment of historic opportunity for according to grounds. that's according to russian state media. it comes as people are emptying the streets as rebel forces impose a curfew in damascus after taking control of the capital, marking a dramatic fall in

former prime minister boris johnson, who had a much tonight. increasingly, nation tonight.ingly, the courts want to cover everything with a gossamer veil of secrecy. but at last, the alleged chinese spy, who has forged close links with the duke of york as well as meeting theresa may and david cameron, has had his identity revealed. tom tugendhat joins me shortly. and the people have spoken. the reverend starmer is the worst prime minister in their view in modern history. a poll has revealed. within five months of taking office, sir keir has the worst approval rating on record. perhaps one of the reasons why is that he's busy betraying brexit. former prime minister bofis brexit. former prime minister boris johnson, who had a much better approval rating, has launched a scathing attack on starmer for trying to drag us back into the eu. i'll also be looking at a certain gb news presenter who has refused to undertake parliamentary anti—bullying training. plus, as it emerges, labour's business and farming tax grab will cost more than it makes. i'll be speaking to a farmer who spok

i'm joined by conservative peer and former adviser to boris johnson, lord colville, ranger, head of commst popular conservatism and anas sarwar rees—mogg and former labour special adviser paul richards. and what happens when the home secretary donned a christmas hat and handed out mince pies? >> well, would you like one? no. all right. no, you're not going to win next time. i hope you're out. next time. >> what? a panel full of experience and charm. big show coming up. but first, your news headunes coming up. but first, your news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> ben. thank you. it'sjust >> ben. thank you. it's just gone. 9:00. your top story from the gb newsroom. tributes have been paid to nine year old andre gleisner, who was killed in the german christmas market attack on friday evening. in a tribute on friday evening. in a tribute on social media, his mother, desiree gleisner, called him my little teddy bear and said will always live in our hearts. the attack left five people dead and over 200 injured, after a driver used an emergency vehicle lane to plough into the christmas market i

. >> well, we're joined now by former adviser to boris johnson. oscar red drop. difficult to know where to start. almost isn't it? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> let's start with what is and certainly will appear to boris johnson as a sort of what what keir starmer is calling an eu reset, which to a lot of people is looking like a betrayal of the brexit vote. >> i think my old boss boris, on the front page of the express today said exactly that. you know, we are we did so much as a nation. and i'm not talking about politics politicians here, i'm talking about the people of this country, the democratic will of the people in this country did so much to finally break free of the european union. and this is a kind of a sleight of hand magicians trick from the prime minister and keir starmer, who is slowly but surely ensuring that the uk will be under the thumb of the eu once more. i mean, these leaked documents at the times have seen, are genuinely stunning for a country that has, as i said, did so much to break free. finally from the european union, whatever your

said many times that they wanted migration to be lower, it reached unprecedented levels under boris johnson i do understand that. but i do think that it's interesting that this is all happening at a time when, you know, things are not going particularly well economically in the eu. the eu seems to be the euro seems to be in great turmoil. and of course, political instability as well. >> olaf scholz on his knees and euanne >> olaf scholz on his knees and elianne macron about to be turfed out of the elysee palace. exactly. >> and it also does slightly beg the question of like, what are the question of like, what are the concessions that starmer and co might have to offer on the uk part in order to get this more seamless relationship that they want? >> what are they going to have to concede to brussels going backwards? also, there's an interesting piece in the sunday times talking about giorgia meloni, the italian prime minister, being the new queen of europe, which made me inwardly chuckle. she had a very close relationship, believe it or not, with rishi sunak. >> yes, she she she did. >> yes

any, any way, anyone to the right of boris johnson nowadays is far right. we want to control our borders and we don't want to become a minority in our own ancestral homelands? and please do not groom and rape our little girls. and they call you far right. or as some of our far right. or as some of ou

let's talk to former adviser to boris johnson, oscar redrup, who's here in the studio .here in the studio. is it now the big question for me on this oscar is, is this an evolution of the plan ? the next evolution of the plan? the next stage of the plan , or is this stage of the plan, or is this a reset five months into a new government? >> certainly how the labour government would want to position it. they would say this is the next phase. in fact, that is the next phase. in fact, that is the next phase. in fact, that is the exact phrase they've been using on this. but to all intents and purposes, and actually a lot of people quite close to number 10 in the government, they're not quite as optimistic and they don't quite see it as rose—tinted as that. it is a reset. i mean, in many ways, you know, think about it. we've had missions, we've had pledges, we've had first steps back in june . and this is just back in june. and this is just another reiteration. i think it leaves people feeling quite confused if the government was a car, you know, the amount of kind of restarts

obviously, boris johnson must bear the biggest share of blame.ishi sunak carried on in the same vein. total contravention of the mandate upon which they were elected. and it's not as even as most of the people coming in were economic super contributors or culturally well aligned. and i think there's enormous anger out there. and farage is canny enough to profit from that. even without elon musk's largesse as tesla. >> what do you make of it? i mean, as a figure who instinctively supports the right, it seems to me that the trump election has opened up possibilities for the right. for example, on immigration also, i think on net zero and so on. the face of it, you think, well, can we badenoch is quite well placed here because she can probably say things that maybe a few months ago she couldn't have dared to say because the space has been opened up . and yet it has been opened up. and yet it seems that farage has the advantage now. you see it from a very different political perspective. how do you see it? >> kemi badenoch 1507 00:09:24,208 --> 0

and indeed boris johnson, many years, even after her death, said that she had bone cancer.ut this was something that actually we in the royal fold sort of knew, but we just did not say. and it was never confirmed, which is actually why we couldn't say it. so it just goes to show in one generation the big difference between openness about their health. >> it absolutely does. but of course, i think some would say that by not disclosing exactly what form of cancer you've got, you do leave yourself open to quite a bit of speculation. >> yes. he'd gone in and said he had an enlarged prostate. so i think people kind of tried to guess that it was something to do with that. but we just we simply never, never [000:08:11;00] [000:08:12;00]

and former prime minister boris johnson is in the festive spirit . well, there he festive spirit.ell, there he is with a naughty and nice list in his very latest advert. what is the former pm up to? also , is the former pm up to? also, guinness supplies are set to be rationed over the festive period as huge demand for the irish stout threatens to outstrip supply. pub bosses have been told to face limits on how many kegs they'll receive at christmas time . christmas time. well, it is a jam packed show . well, it is a jam packed show. today we're going to be seeing so many different issues from across the country and indeed around the world. we're keeping our eyes on that new york manhunt, and emily is on the streets in grimsby to test the mood of the nation. we're also going to be across farms in this united kingdom. responding to that seismic vote in parliament this week. do get in touch throughout it all. gbnews.com/yoursay is the way to get involved throughout the programme . and are you a programme. and are you a guinness drinker? i want to hear from you today if you are. are y

plus, the former prime minister boris johnson, the great man has accused the reverend keir starmer ofading the house after he claimed he had a criminal conviction. so will the privileges committee reopen the kangaroo court? state of the nafion kangaroo court? state of the nation starts now . nation starts now. also be joined by my most formidable panel joined by my most formidable panel, former conservative mp and cabinet minister sirjohn and cabinet minister sir john redwood, and the historian and broadcaster tessa dunlop. as even broadcaster tessa dunlop. as ever, it's a crucial part of the programme. let me know your views mailmogg@gbnews.com. but now it's your favourite time of the day. the news bulletin with lewis mckenzie . lewis mckenzie. >> thank you very much , jacob. >> thank you very much, jacob. good evening. it's just after 8:00. here are your latest headunes 8:00. here are your latest headlines from the gb newsroom . headlines from the gb newsroom. some breaking news for you . now some breaking news for you. now the french government has collapsed as the french prime mini

and i think keir starmer will do more than bofis keir starmer will do more than boris johnson. >> okaye. >> okay, charlie. >> well, i mean, on a scale of 1 to 10, i mean, it's hard to get into positive figures, isn't it? you know, because they're just going backwards. you know, this is a government that said that they weren't going to slap on taxes. they've slapped on the taxes. they've slapped on the taxes. they've slapped on the taxes. they said they were going to protect the pensioners. they scrapped the winter fuel allowance. they said they were going to be the most rural protecting the rural environment. they've now taxed farmers, the people that keep our food on our tables. you know, they let prisoners out early. they scrapped the grander scheme from day one, the only deterrent, as you rightly said, benjamin, it's what people care about, stopping people coming into this country, just to be clear. and they scrapped the cleah and they scrapped the deterrent from day one, the first thing they did, how on earth can anybody rate them at all? and i think if the bank of england, because

now tim montgomerie , founder of tim montgomerie, founder of conservative home, and ex boris johnsondviser, has joined the party too. he's going to be with us in the studio. and porridge and crumpets are toast. these everyday breakfast staples are set to be branded junk food, as the government implements a new advertising ban next year. is this the nanny state gone mad ? this the nanny state gone mad? and that branding them junk food is all about advertising being banned, isn't it? before 9:00 on the tv? because apparently these products aren't good for our kids, but we've got too many fat kids. i'm not sure the advertising is the problem, though, is it? no. especially not for foods like crumpets. i mean, maybe potentially sweets and chocolates. kids then say, oh, i want some of that, but not crumpets. i mean, it's more about what other foods they're eating. is it part of a healthy diet and are they moving? are they moving enough? we need to get kids moving. we've got a lot to get through this morning. we better get moving. gbnews.com/yoursay let us know your thoughts . first, the ve

maybe it wouldn't have happened without bofis wouldn't have happened without boris johnson.e always acknowledged that he is the biggest politician of our age since since tony blair. of course, i disagree with almost everything that comes out of his mouth, but the problem here is, if you look at some of these posts on twitter and you see the replies, there are people on the right who are very concerned that reform is still lining up their tanks against the conservatives, because they want the labour government to be taken down. and it comes back to my opening point. if the right is split, labour are safe and duncan, the point there being, i get so many viewers saying to me, well, darren, you know, a plague on both their houses is how i currently feel. >> and right now the death of the conservative party sounds quite appealing. and to be honest with you, i am minded to agree with that sentiment in the sense of i still feel that there was a complete betrayal of the 2019 vote. well, actually, the 2010 vote, the 2015 vote, the 2017 vote, and the 2019 vote. so why on earth would t

because obviously through partygate and through her previous controversies around particularly like boris johnson'ss government, we can see that obviously she's a loaded figure and it calls into question, what's the point of the house of lords? and i think the house of lords, it should be to keep the house of commons in check. it should be a sort of check and balance to make sure that there is this element of government that isn't just the elected parts, because with the elected parts, because with the elected parts, even though i wouldn't really consider keir starmers government elected, considering the amount of unpopularity they had in low turnout. yeah, absolutely. i wouldn't consider them the most popular government. and i think right now they shouldn't be enacting radical change because they don't have a mandate for that. i don't have a mandate for that. i don't think so. with the house of lords, i think it's quite ridiculous. they're putting forward someone radical like sue gray, who is obviously very controversial and i would argue, very unpopular with the general public. >> it does seem a

within it, if you were arguing that steel is strategic, and if bofis that steel is strategic, and if boris johnsonyou said earlier, why on earth did you sell british steel to a chinese company? >> so we did that because the, the other alternative was that we would just run it ourselves. and as russell said earlier, if you think there were no other buyers, if there were no other buyers, if there were no other buyers at that price, no, there were none. and if you think that so it was an immediate price decision rather than a long term strategic decision. >> yeah. no no no. but look. >> yeah. no no no. but look. >> well yeah. well one time you're saying it's important a strategic asset. >> it is. you're saying it was a binary choice. you can either run it in the private sector and sometimes that will mean foreign caphal sometimes that will mean foreign capital. and in large parts of our industry, steel industry, that does mean foreign capital. or you can have a bunch of bureaucrats run it. that was that was the choice. >> and you can you can you can get a collaboration or you can get a collaboration