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bornstein that the infamous letter that described him as being the healthiest person to ever run for that was written by the patient himself. who does that? i think in an election year really the public deserves to know about both candidates for president. we are electing a leader. i'm not sure there is anything that would necessarily disqualify from running but the public gets to make that choice and you can't make that choice if you don't have the data. >> i agree 100% with that. again, it was just that, the thing that drew attention to it was the over-the-top defense. if he had just left it alone it would be like me, oh, most people would just say looks like he is being careful. who knows? >> let me just say one other thing. about november, one doesn't go to walter reed on a saturday afternoon to get their blood drawn. and the president's doc rode in the car with him to do that which is a complete break in protocol. the president's physician never rides with the president because he is the first responder. you don't put the first responder with the target. so something happened in

doctor: well, first of all, it's important to put this into context and daniel bornstein once said thele to discover in the shape of the earth the continents and ocean is not knowledge but, in fact, the illusion of knowledge, but i think what we have here is we are not sure what's happening. we have 22 states where we have cases increasing, 8 rose level and 21 states where it's decreasing and what we are talking about here now is what does reopening do, what do protests do and we just have to be humble and say we are in an unsure moment of what's happening in the country. chris: now some people, doctor, have suggested that the reason we are seeing more cases is because we are doing more testing, but it isn't just new cases. i want to put some numbers up on the screen. 5 states have seen at least a 35% increase in hospitalizations since memorial day and the cdc projects the deaths, deaths will jump from 115,000 now to 124 and 140,000 by july 4th. how much of this do you attribute to states reopening and people easing up on social distancing and do you think when you see this increase in

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