host: borzou daragahi, thanks for your time. it has been a pleasure to talk to you today. joining us at the table today is jack goldstone who directs the center for global policy. do you seek regime change happening in iran? guest: not right away. of the regime has shown itself willing to do whatever it takes, use whatever brutalities and propaganda to put down these protests. in the short run they seem to be winning. host: for the longer-term what you see? guest: things will definitely change and the regime will have lost its opener of popular support. it has revealed itself as a tough, militarist regime. popular discontent over the long term is likely to grow rather than diminish. we must be patient. in poland at the solidarity movement began in 19 80s and took years. host: here is a sea of people. there is one little passage in here i want to draw to your attention. he writes that the difference this time for these things have begun in the past were put down is that the clerics are divided. take us more into that part of the story in brought in it to the prospect of reg