we did this in bosnia. when we finally did it milosevic came to the table three weeks later and the threat against bosnia was over. if it had been three years earlier when it began, 100,000 people would be alive and many, many more would not have been brutalized, raped, expelled from their homes and removed from their regions. now i know that these -- particularly the bounties will have people feel uneasy, disquietude. it seems like a radical measure. the question is would it be effective and always keep in mind what we're talking about. we're talking about saving vast numbers of lives. i asked the president of bosnia if milosevic -- and he knows milosevic very well or he knew him very well. if milosevic had known that in starting the genocidal assault on the bosnians that a bounty -- a large sum bounty would have been placed on his head we've done it, and the leader of bosnia told me i don't think he would have. he explained that he relied upon the international community loving the status quo and he would

>> well, i didn't -- i grew up in bosnia, and during the war, i escaped. and then after, i lived in refugee camps. it's different, because this is the first time that i've seen army that is helping people in disaster and they're doing a great job, but the conditions are just unbearable. they're worse than anything i've ever seen. >> larry: worse than anything? >> anything i've ever seen, these camps. i went -- i visited a camp, just 50,000 people, and we went through the tents. and every single child has some kind of injury, infection or broken bone. >> larry: sean, specifically, what does your organization, jenkins-penn hatian relief do? >> well, we were formed very spontaneously. i and i come of friends were going to come down a couple of days after the quake and i ran into diana, and she said, no, don't do it like that, and she came in and fully funded a major operation. so i was able to go to allison thomson and oscar gubnatty and other volunteers and we were able, with diana, to put together what are now rotations of approximately 30 doctors in our ba

the radio that we bring in significant additional force to accomplish a mission as we did in bosnia than the situation is better and you hope you can withdraw. i hope for the reasons i outline which primarily have to do the absence of a local partner i have reservations but on iraq i certainly think the withdrawal will go ahead. we never did have a strategic interest in iraq but once we were there of course, we changed things so now we do have some obligations and i would think we would like to have at least the possibility to go back and if we do with al qaeda and in the city areas i think it is true we have an obligation to kurdistan which was on our side is a real -- reliable ally and can the dissed -- this first hah 2003 with a no-fly zone. >> that is it. thank you for coming. [applause] >> it is my pleasure to welcome you here tonight. i am the director here and we're here to have a conversation about andre schiffrin and new book, at "dr. seuss & co. go to war." this is a sequel, i guess, to the first venture of dr. seuss and world war ii which was published roughly 10 years ago. on

was furious at the coveragin bosnia, that we hanot done enough, and so i went to mboss and made a strong statemt, and i ended up actuay going. >> wt did you say that made--made t case? >> "i believe this might b genode. the united states is calling it genocide. whave a moral obligation as urnalists and even broader as ericans to understand what's gog on there. inow it's tough to get in darfur, almost impossible, but weust go." so i made the argunt. >> charles, when she got tgo to darfushe had the cameras, she had a network,he got to llions of people. when your reporters goo darfur, who know >> yeah, wn our reporters go darfur, we are very much operating a more stealth mode. w're looking at live blogging fm the scene. we're looking to do form reporting that's well done, well researched, well writt, and welldited, as well. but we have a lot oopportunities to do multimedia.o we can have our coespondents all armed with these very simplelip cameras, whichost $250, and they are digitalideo. they can be edited on their lapps using fil cut pro, and we can send a 2-, 3-minute pieceack from the fi

bosnia, cost ofeo, kuwait, afghanistan and iraq under sudan. and after the confession, here comes the extended hand to the clenched fist. we have had a year of this as well. what is clear is that reconciliation, the resetting of relations starting from scratch from adversaries has its consequences. why? because these conflicts did not come out of no where. they have their roots in a clash of interest and values and we had allies in these clashes. that is why starting the worlda new as obama imagined he does in most everything, pressing the reset button all over the world has conquenses not the least of which is among our allies. for example, resetting relations with russia and caving in on missile defense, the czech republic and poland, which had taken risks in joining us in this venture. it meant once again leaving them wondering about american reliability and about ours and theirs post-cold-war independence and running to the limbo where that sovreignty is constrained by detante of moscow. obama's three-day bowing and scraping in china after

the muslim immigrant from bosnia is accused of getting training from al qaeda, also an alleged associatenajibullah zazi. >>> the suicide bomber who killed seven cia officers was real really a double agent for the taliban. >> reporter: speaking in arabic and english, al awawi leaves no doubt. we can't confirm his claims, this much is clear, he told the jordanians he was going to pakistan for medical training and to help them target al qaeda leaders. but all along, his plan was to attack u.s. targets. >> i came to them and i told them everything, and we arranged together this attack. >> reporter: for this veteran of middle east security, it is clear, warning signs of a double cross were miss ed. >> nothing teaches you harder. >> the cia fears all spies will needre-evaluation. setting back the cia hunt for osama bin ladin. >> it will set them back, until they reform, regroup and start again. >> reporter: the video message has other important less sons too. the arab doctors who joined pakistan's taliban, claims his attack in revenge for u.s. road strike for killing their leader last year. si

, because when i first arrived in the mod in october 999, we were simultaneously deployed in both bosnia and kosovo and many, many particular support staff were simply being rotated from one to the other and we lost a lot of people during that period because they just said, "look, i'm not doing that. it is the same thing over and over again". actually iraq and afghanistan, certainly the war fighting part, actually is " popular" is not quite the right word, i suspect, but that's what a lot of people join up to do. >> but are you then saying there are no opportunities to learn any lessons? >> no, i think there was quite a detailed as there always is after any operation, a detailed lessons learned process inside the ministry of defence. >> you identified those, but were these lessons actually learned during the course of the time you were there? >> i think those are probably longerterm considerations. i left in 2005, but i'm sure that work would have fed into and continued to feed into the kinds of judgments that are being made. i think it is clear that there is going to be some sort of def

in bosnia, kosovo, kuwait, afghanistan, and iraq under sudan. then after the atonement, after the catharsis of confession comes reconciliation, the extended hand to the clenched fist. we have now had a year of this as well. what is clear is that reconciliation, the resetting of relations starting from scratch with adversaries has its consequences. why? because these conflicts did not come out of nowhere. they did not arise capriciously. they have their roots in a crash of interest and values.

rescue of bosnia and costs about?of other nations and groups of people to declare that genocide would not be countenanced in the balkans, and that nato would act unilaterally even without the assent of the "international community" and expressed -- as expressed in the united nations and its security council? this homage to internationalism and denigration not only of nationalism and individual sovereign almaty -- individual sovereignty, has a very practical impact on america's actions in the world. and that impact is already being felt by friend and foe, allies and adversaries. it our ultimate aim is to earn a place as a good international citizen, we must abandon any signs of arrogance coming any act of tribal self assertion, and began to constrict and constrain our often irresponsible power, and act as one among many. did did that, we must undertake two things. first, the expiation of past sins, and then outrage and accommodation -- out reach an accommodation. the expiation has been indulged throughout the last year

to demonstrate that they believed force could be used not just in a humanitarian context like in bosniar kosovo, but in clear defiance of our own national security principles. that must have driven so many of them -- in clear defense of our national security principles. that must have driven so many of them to vote in favor of this. so many of them have discovered unexpected dangers, that things do not work out the way you thought they would. now there is a hard-headed realist mentality you find among many of those same democrats. it is a long and bumpy road they have trouble. host: delaware is next on the republican line, good morning. caller: i am not a reagan republican, by any means. i have a greedier -- a great deal of respect for former president eisenhower. however, i must say the vice- president biden has been outstanding for our state. we have quite a few republicans are very complementary of him. those are the progressive ones. i must say that chaney, rumsfeld, i wish there was an estimate of how many millions these people made due to the wars they created. these were incredib

when iraq came along they believed force could be used in a humanitarian context like in bosnia or kosovos was driving many of them to vote in favor of the war that they may have had doubts about. and now we are in another phase where some many people have discovered unexpected dangers that when things do not work out the way that you thought that they would there is a realist mentality that you find and this is a long road that they have traveled. >> we have more from the republican line. >guest: i am not a regular republican, i am at an eisenhower republican. i have to say that joe biden has been outstanding for this state. we have quite a few republicans that complement -- are complemented by him. i have to say about dick cheney and donald rumsfeld, i wish we could find out how many millions of dollars they made. was an estimate of how many millions these people made due to the wars they created. these were incredibly damaging to the u.s. and the world. somebody needs to look into their finances regarding how much money they made on the blood sweat and tears of our soldiers. guest: a d

we spent something like 18 times more per capita in bosnia and kosovo. we got what we paid for. we did it on the cheap. we know what the result is. we will make six or seven points about what we are doing in afghanistan. this is not the graveyard of the vampires. it should be retired of the graveyard of cliches. every class was involved in that interaction. it was written as the best account of the afghan war. he calculated that there were one and a 75000 -- 150,000 full- time soldiers on the battlefield. even if you take the largest number, it is 20,000. we are facing a small insurgency compared to what the soviets faced. these will not be obama's vietnam. it might be his afghanistan. that is a separate issue. it cannot be his in vietnam. it is a different issue. it was a major problem for the united states. another thing they can talk on, afghanistan is a nation [unintelligible] in 1747, the federation was founded. that makes it an older nation than the united states. it is not a lack of nationhood. it is that it has had a weak central state. there is nothing really wrong with

we have seen that from the congo to bosnia two burma and 15 years after the cairo conference to many women have little or no access to reproductive health services including family planning and maternal health care. when we look at the deficit with health care for women women, we can see what it means in terms of lost productivity, resources and lives. nearly half the women in the developing world the bill of babies without a nurse come that midwife, a doctor or access to crucial medical care. global rates of maternal mortality remain perilously high. one woman dies every minute two of every day in pregnancy or childbirth. for every woman bad guys, another 20 suffer from injury, infection or disease every minute. more than 215 million women worldwide lack access to the modern form of contraception and this contributes to the near the 20 million tons saved abortions that take place every year. sexually transmitted diseases including but not limited to hiv/aids claim millions of lives annually among women. it destroys the lives of millions and is a result the pregnancies that occur whe

nation-building operations with which it became associated, including somalia earlier in the decade, and bosnia have had an opportunity to reflect on that experience and a dozen or more un and other operations with which the united states was not closely associated. i would like to offer a number of proposed guidelines for assistance to haiti that is based on that broad experience of the last 60 years in these kinds of missions anin fragile states. first, in the absence of security, any positive changes will be washed away. the bad news is that an international security presence in haiti will be required for a long time. the good news is that haiti is not a particularly difficult societe to secure. the haitian population is neither heavily-armed nor inclined to violence. one is only to regard the patience with which the people of port-au-prince has waited over the last two weeks and recognize that itits peaceful n. american troops are unlikely to be required once the immediate emergency passes. i think the united nations should be able to secure haiti successfully with the- reinforcements that

we spent something like 18 times more per capita in bosnia and in kosovo compared to what we did in afghanistan after world war ii. we got what we paid for, we did it on the cheap. let me make seven or eight quick points about what we are doing in afghanistan. i believe there are a lot of myths out there. bruce very ably are the addressed the soviet issue. this is not a graveyard of empires. all sorts of empires have gone in net -- into afghanistan, but unlike most of those other invasions, the afghans do want us to perform. and to compare our occupation to the soviets is poor history on so many other levels. bruce mentioned the fact that there was a country-wide insurrection. every group of our request was involved in the insurrection. at any given moment there were 175,000 or 250,000 approximately full-time soldiers on the battlefield fighting the soviets. even if you take the largest numbers of full-time taliban soldiers is 20,000. we are facing a relatively small insurgency compared to what the soviets face. this will not be obama's vietnam. this is a crazy comparison. it might be his and a

we've seen that from the congo to bosnia to burma.and 15 years after the cairo conference, far too many women still have little or no access to reproductive health services including family planning and maternal health care. when we look at this deficit in health care for women, we can see what it means in terms of lost productivity, lost resources and lost lives. nearly half the women in the developing world deliver their babies without a nurse, a midwife, a doctor or access to crucial medical care. global rates of maternal mortality remain perilously high. one woman dies every minute of every day in pregnancy or childbirth. and for every woman who dies another 20 suffer from injury, infection or disease every minute. more than 215 million women worldwide lack access to the modern forms of contraception, and this contributes to the nearly 20 million unsafe abortions that take place every year. sexually-transmitted diseases, of course, including but not limited to hiv and aids, claim millions of lives annually among women. fistula des

, each of which was intended to defend defenseless muslims and deliver them from their oppressors bosniahe atonement, after the catharsis of confession comes reconciliation. we have now had a year of this as well. what is clear is that reconciliation, starting from scratch with adversaries. these conflicts did not come out of nowhere. they did not arise capriciously. they came from interest and dahlias, and we have allies in these clashes. that is why starting the world a new, as obama imagines, pressing the reset button all over the world has consequences. for a typical congress setting relations with russia and caving missile defense. theç((+qhsó republic and poland left once again wondering about american reliability and about their own post cold war independence, and whether they are now returning to the window ofñr the sovereignty constrained by the deterrent of moscow. hence to read a bowling and scraping in china after a refusal to meet with the dollar llama as a gesture on behalf of human rights, insisting on elevating china gratuitously to near superpower status. it was even sug

was that war in bosnia and kosovo compared to afghanistan. we got what we paid for. we did it on the cheap. we know what the result is. let me make seven or eight points. it is about what we're doing in afghanistan. i think there are a lot of myths out there. bruce already addressed the soviet issue. this is not the graveyard of empires. this should be retired to the graveyard of cliches. all sorts of empires of gone into afghanistan. unlike the others, the afghans do want us to perform. to compare our occupation to the soviets is poor history on so many other levels. bruce mentioned that there was a countrywide insurrection. every ethnic group was involved in that. it has been calculated that at any given moment, there were 250,000 approximately full-time soldiers on the battlefield fighting the soviets. even if you take the largest number of full-time taliban soldiers, it is 20,000. we're facing a relatively small insurgency compared to what the soviets faced. this will not be obama's in vietnam. it may be his afghanistan. that is a separate issue. it is a very dif

to demonstrate that they believed force could be used not just in a humanitarian context like in bosniar kosovo, but in clear defiance of our own national security principles. that must have driven so many of them -- in clear defense of our national security principles. that must have driven so many of them to vote in favor of this. so many of them have discovered unexpected dangers, that things do not work out the way you thought they would. now there is a hard-headed realist mentality you find among many of those same democrats. it is a long and bumpy road they have trouble. host: delaware is next on the republican line, good morning. caller: i am not a reagan republican, by any means. i have a greedier -- a great deal of respect for former president eisenhower. however, i must say the vice- however, i must say the vice- president biden has been due to the wars they created. these were incredibly damaging to the u.s., a round the world, and someone needs to look into their finances, regarding how much money they made. host: delaware, republican towns like a democrat. guest: you can fi

was intended to defend the defenseless muslims against and to deliver them from their oppressors in bosniahanistan, and iraq. after the catharsis of confession, that comes reconciliation, the extended hand to the clenched fist. we have now had a year of this as well. but is clear is that reconciliation, the resetting of relations, starting from scratch with adversaries has its consequences. why? these conflicts did not come out of nowhere. they did not arise capriciously. they had their roots in a clash of values and we had allies in these clashes. that is why starting the world anew, as obama imagined, pressing the reset button on over the world has consequences not the least of which is among our allies. for example, recent relations with russia and caving in on the missile defense meant the train the czech republic and poland which had taken risks in joining us this venture -- joining us in this venture. it left them wondering about american reliability and their own post cold war independence. were they returning to the limbo where their sovereignty is constrained by moscow? hence, oba

when i first arrived in the mod in october 1999, we were simultaneously deployed in bosnia and kosovo. many, many particular support staff were simply being rotated from one to the other. we lost a lot of people during that period. they said look, that's not right. aye not doing that. it's the same thing over and over again. iraq and afghanistan, certainly the war-fighting part actually is popular is not quite the word i suspect. but that's what a lot of people join up to do. >> but are you then saying -- i mean there have been no opportunities to learn the lessons? >> there were quite a detail as with any operation as detailed lessons learned process inside the ministry of defense. >> but you identified those. what was the lesson learned during the course of the time you were there? >> well, i think there's probably longer term consideration by lesson in 2005. but i'm sure that work would have fed into and continued to feed into the kinds of judgments that are being made. i think it's clear that that's going to be some sort of defense review after the next election, and i'm sure thes