i am from bosnia and in view and if not for you there would not be a bosnia. can i have my picture taken with you? i say sure then i go back to get my stuff and the lady says what exactly happened? i said i used to be secretary of state and she said of bosnia? [laughter] so i am very happy to be here to have a chance to talk about my new book and this book would not have existed have not been for sadam hussain because what happened, i did go to the united nations at the end of the goal for the duration 1993. the various parts of the cease-fire translated into security council resolution and they kept coming due and we had to make sure they were renewed. my were restart -- instructions as ambassador were to is a perfectly terrible things about sadam hussain that constantly which she deserved because he invaded another country. a few weeks later a poem appeared in the baghdad press comparing me too many different things and among them at the unparalleled a serpent so i happen to have a snake been so i decided to where it when we talked about iraq. i think you ha

bosnia, rwanda, congo, darfur all told in a wartime there have been more than 100 million innocent victimsde. more than all the combat deaths in all of the wars fought during that time anywhere in the world. based on the human toll alone, genocide and manslaughter or a worse problem plaguing humanities dan war. we need to understand why. >> we need to tell many truths about genocide and mass murder because our understanding of genocide of mass murder is shrouded in ignorance, falsehood, confusion and on truth. here in the opening of this film, you saw a large scale truth and small-scale truth each equally important. the large scale truth is about the number of victims and the genocide or mass murder is the principal problem of lethal violence in the world today. it's not war. the small-scale truth is what was shown, what it means to kill somebody, which is how it is often been done in our time dating from the beginning of the 21st century face-to-face, a person deciding to raise his hands and strike down another often in the most gruesome of imaginable ways and the way that was described.

we want bosnia to stay united. we want bosnia to be integrated into the euro-atlantic alliance.re out what's the best way achieve that? and the door remains open. when they began the walk through it, that's something we're still trying to work out. >> well, we heard some real concern on the part not just of bosnia, but some of the other countries in the region about enlargement fatigue, particularly when it comes to the e.u., but also, i think with respect to nato, concern that perhaps there are other reasons why they -- their map process was not viewed favorably at this point. so i hope that the administration will continue to remain engaged with the e.u. to keep an open process and an open effort to encourage the countries of the balkans to consider future membership. and maybe you could talk about what we're doing to try and encourage that to continue. >> senator, we are encouraging the european union to do more to demonstrate the benefits to bosnia of european integration and to work with the -- to work with the government of bosnia to try to understand what it must do to be

>> well, i didn't -- i grew up in bosnia, and during the war, i escaped. and then after, i lived in refugee camps. >> larry: okay. >> it's different, because this is the first time that i've seen an army that is helping people in disaster and they're doing a great job, but the conditions are just unbearable. they're worse than anything i've ever seen. >> larry: worse than anything? >> anything i've ever seen, these camps. i went -- i visited a camp, just 50,000 people, and we went through the tents. and every single child has some kind of injury, infection or broken bone. >> larry: sean, specifically, what does your organization, jenkins-penn hatian relief, do? >> well, we were formed very spontaneously. i and a couple of friends were going to come down a couple of days after the quake, and i ran into diana, and she said, no, don't do it like that, and she came in and fully funded a major operation. so i was able to go to allison thomson and oscar gubnatty and other volunteers, and we were, with diana, able to put together what are now rotations of approxi

i think of the president clinton's deployment to bosnia, which is also incidentally announced for a year. i went in with very significant force. there was no violence in that year. it was successful. and at the end of the year, the deployment continued with virtually no public opposition. and so what i imagine lies behind -- i think that president obama is sincere in what he is saying, the idea is that we bring in significant additional force, say to commerce omission as we did in bosnia. and then the situation is better and you hope you can withdraw. again, for the reasons i outlined, which are primarily, which have entirely to do with the absence of a credible local partner, i have reservations about the. on the issue of iraq, i certainly think that the withdrawal will go ahead. we never did have a strategic interest in iraq. and once we were there, of course we change things and so we do have some obligations. and i would think we would want to have at least the possibility of going back in if we have to do with al qaeda, sunni areas. and i've argued in the past and i still think it's

bosnia was very instructive in the regard as well.d not seem like there was a lot of connecticut activity. but many of us were involved in the -- was a lot of genetikinetc activity. but many of us were involved in that. it very instructive on how you pull this together. so you have a genetikinetic and- kinetic. some folks think that petraeus some folks think that petraeus exiled 20 came back from his second tour because he was either -- was exiled when he came back from his second tour because he was either too high profile or something else. profile or something else. i was told that shake of the army. i can do that you just put the surgeons in charge of the institution. the command of their overseas the commission programs. it is about 18 schools injured across america. they are good at communicating it to your leaders. you control the scenarios for that. the lessons learned, the center for leadership, i can name it. we even had a battle command battle lab and knowledge system which enabled us to take advantage of all the modern too

you really couldn't have peace we thought in bosnia without bringing the perpetrators. you can negotiate a peace agreement you need all sides. weeks before the dayton peace accords launch the prosecutor of the yugoslav tried to be all indicted and the loudest for war crimes against humanity in the balkans. state department said that's okay, we're not a court. were peace negotiator saving lives and negotiating -- will of the court do with them later. they're so invited her peace negotiation. the legal visor had a step forward and say no actually staring david either tribunal in the hague under the u.n. you cannot bring them to dayton ohio and have them participate in the peace process. when you read the various books, written about the dayton peace process, they complied at the end of the day the prosecutors of south african in the heck i'm one of the most significant aspects in the process of the deal needed to be negotiated with president melissa and not by excluding them because of their indictment in legal advisor they were able to actually get the peace agreement at

mean, i had close working relationships with a lot of the military over sierra leone the, kosovo, bosnia, east timor and so on. no problem. but suddenly we could not get an answer, and at that stage i did not know why. is it inefficiency? what is the problem? then also, if you are preparing for all eventualities, and given the fragility of the situation in central iraq, all the sanitation and water, electricity systems were poor, and the un system was reporting that, who were providing food for the people of iraq under oil for food -- we needed to talk about, if there was going to be military action, what would be -- what kind of military action, what kind of targeting? was there risk that sewage systems and water systems and electricity systems would be destroyed? which happened to a considerable extent in the gulf war -- the first gulf war. it became clear that there was some kind of block on communications. >> what did you do than to break the block? >> it was also extended to the intelligence agencies with him we had continuous relationships. it became clear that there was some kind

. >> i had close working relationships with lots in the military in kosovo and bosnia and so on. no problems. but suddenly we couldn't get an answer. i didn't know what was the problem. and also if you are preparing for all event to melodies and given the fragility of the situation in central iraq and all the sanitation and electricity systems were poor and the un reporting that would provide food for people of iraq. if there was going to be military action what kind of military action, what are the risks with electricity systems, which i think happens to a considerable extent in the first gulf war. i was asking for a meeting about strategy and said we couldn't get it. it started to become clear there was a block on communications. >> what did you do to break the block? >> it was extended to the intelligence agencies do we also had continuous relationships. at the end of the cold war they were desperate -- we wanted to help africa and came to see me quite a loss. that kind of relationship -- and suddenly i wasn't allowed to talk to them about what was going on and what was a risk

bosnia was very instructive in the regard as well.m like there was a lot of connecticut activity. but many of us were involved in the -- was a lot of genetikinetc activity. but many of us were involved in that. it was very instructive on how you pull this together. so you have a genetikinetic and- kinetic. some folks think that petraeus was exiled 20 came back from his second tour because he was either -- was exiled when he came back from his second tour because he was either too high profile or something else. i was told that i was given [unintelligible] the guidance was simple. shake up the army. i said, i can do that. you just put the insurgent in charge of the institution. the commander their overseas all of the education for the commissioned, warrant, and non- commissioned officers. the doctrine center, that is the big ideas. the education, that is communicating it to your leaders. the practice, you control the scenarios for that. the lessons learned center, the center for leadership, you name it. we had the [unintelligible] it w

in addition to his pofingte in kabul and afghanistan, our guest has been special envoy to kosovo, bosnia. he is now affiliated with iran corporation. ambassador dobbins, thank you for joining us. guest: thank you. host: coming up, a gentleman that came to washington, d.c. to get beyond the monuments. kike arnal is our guest tonight. >> "in the shadow of power. what is this picture? >> this is a homeless guy begging for money. >> why did you put that on the cover? >> it's dramatic to see why we are so close to the -- damnic to see him so close to the white house. >> you started photographing these in 2003? >> i started in 2003. i basically finished by the end of 2006. >> why did you do it? >> why did i do it? >> i came to do an assignment in the year 2002 in washington, d.c., and it was our nation's capital. i was always picture about the monuments in the t-shirt. then i discovered the beautiful washington when i came myself the first time. i saw the mall, the monument. then while shooting this assignment i discovered another washington, and that propeled me -- that gave me the desire of

bosnia was very instructive in the regard as well.id not seem like there was a lot of connecticut activity. but many of us were involved in the -- was a lot of genetikinetc activity. but many of us were involved in that. it was very instructive on how you pull this together. so you have a genetikinetic and- kinetic. some folks think that petraeus was exiled 20 came back from his second tour because he was either -- was exiled when he came back from his second tour because he was either too high profile or something else. i was told that i was given [unintelligible] the guidance was simple. shake up the army. i said, i can do that. you just put the insurgent in charge of the institution. the commander their overseas all of the education for the commissioned, warrant, and non- commissioned officers. the doctrine center, that is the big ideas. the education, that is communicating it to your leaders. the practice, you control the scenarios for that. the lessons learned center, the center for leadership, you name it. we had the [unintellig

community, or it could be a somali, the somalis who are here, or it could be some who have come here from bosnia some asian immigrants who have come here from vietnam or from cambodia. all these people that have come in here to work hard -- to work hard -- and to raise their families here and contribute to our american society. and they're at the bottom. this just seems logical to me that you would go to that community, people in the community who speak the language, who understand the customs, who are intimately knowledgeable with many of these families, to work with them, to let them know what their rights are. surely no one is going to come up here on the floor and argue -- argue -- that these people should be kept in the dark about what their rights are. again, this was on a volunteer basis. on a volunteer basis. so i applaud -- i applaud commissioner smith for having this pilot program. it's the kind of innovative thinking that i think we need to protect the most vulnerable workers during these very tough economic times. it's my knowledge, my information that this pilot program has ended an

bosnia, iraq, panama.es, the intelligence community has been called on to understand a society, the issues, the country, the region. decisions were made as to whether we should use military or diplomatic tools. once a decision is made that the united states will act, the intelligence community was called on for a fine detailed intelligence. to stabilize troubled societies and establish long-term arrangements to put the country's back on their feet. the second hinge point, about the same time the cold war was ending, has been the information revolution. in the 1980's, the first intermission networks began to be deployed in a serious way. it is not surprising that an information revolution would shake business intelligence to its core. intelligence is about collecting sharing and using information. networks changed our access to information and to one another. they totally changed how we do business. building and using data sources, sharing audio and video files so we can work lover to lee and more quickly.