they split bosnia along the front lines.f is a muslim and croat federation, and the other a serb entity. but now, the serb member of bosnia's joint presidency is threatening to break up the estate, denying well-documented evidence that his site committed genocide during the war. jeremy bowen reported the bosnian war from beginning to end, and has returned to see how the past still haunts the present. reporter: the war left open wounds on every side in bosnia. srebrenica's genocide is the deepest. more than 8000 men and boys, bosnian muslims, were massacred in a few days in july of 1995 by serb soldiers. on her 73rd birthday, sheent to the graves of her sons omar and munir, in a cemetery where over 6000 of the genocide's victims are buried. she says she wants reconciliation, but the local serbs scare her. >> they make a lot of noise. they want to provoke fear. sometimes am afraid topend the night in my house, but i have to. i have nowhere else to go. reporter: most of the world acpts genocide ppened here, bu srebrenica is inh

the dayton accords split bosnia into two regions, the federation of bosnia and herzegovina, and the bosnian—serbgnation, corruption and political turmoil, leaders on all sides have used the divisions of the past to cling to power. but now, the bosnian serb leader milorad dodik, is threatening to break up the state, denying well established evidence that his side committed genocide during the war of the 90s. the bbc�*sjeremy bowen reported on the bosnian war, and in this extended report he's returned to see how the present is still haunted by the past. the war left open wounds on every side in bosnia. srebrenica's genocide is the deepest. more than 8000 men and boys, bosniak muslims, were massacred in a few days injuly 1995 by serb soldiers. on her 73rd birthday, this woman went to the graves of her sons in the cemetery where more than 6000 of the genocide's victims are buried. she says she wants reconciliation, but the local serbs scare her. translation: they make a lot of noise. _ they want to provoke fear. sometimes i'm afraid to spend the night in my house, but i have to. i have nowhere else

off the top of the war in bosnia. just there's age is a little earlier on with that story and the telegraph of the wonder would you speak to people of your generation whether there is that sense of hasn't been at war and the first time a younger generation is a sink that prospect albeit in these? it’s generation is a sink that prospect albeit in these?— albeit in these? it's certainly true for --eole albeit in these? it's certainly true for people my — albeit in these? it's certainly true for people my age. _ albeit in these? it's certainly true for people my age, people - albeit in these? it's certainly true for people my age, people under| albeit in these? it's certainly true i for people my age, people under 30 it seemed _ for people my age, people under 30 it seemed as if war has been, in terms _ it seemed as if war has been, in terms of— it seemed as if war has been, in terms of actual warfare quite distant~ _ terms of actual warfare quite distant~ i_ terms of actual warfare quite distant. i suppose the caveat is

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in bosnia, lawanda that democratic republic of congo and syria, women and children have usually been the main targets. but in pre and post revolution, libya, it's men who often been the main victims. but no one has ever been able to prove me who can leave you rate is it subject mentioned the word and silence prevailing. one woman did speak out in public in march 2011. at the start of the illusion. the men will be with accusing the good reviews of raping napoleon and her cry resonated around the world. duffy was overthrown, but libya was plunged into a civil war. the room was raped, continued, and while the international community express concern this did not turn into action . libya is still in the state of political and social care and tens of thousands of refugees of floods. many towards europe effectively has to rival governments, munitions rule the streets. and the rumors of re persists, but no one would confirmed them. ah then a libyan magistrate now living in neighbouring tunisia decided to speak out and on longer to get hold on deck libya. oh ah, he's a junior his grandmother,

the 1st began with survey the survey on croatia and then went on of course to serbian bosnia herzegovina with terrible suffering. i covered those wars and they were bloody and they went on for a long time. so few leaders are better placed, i think, to feel empathy for what's happening in ukraine than those of the western balkan. and we heard him say that and we heard him then say, what, joining the european union meant to them following that conflict. and indeed, we heard really ringing affirmations from both foreign ministers here of the new signal, tense and, and sense of solidarity within the e. u. so germany's foreign minister said, we are showing that we have capabilities that few people would have thought we had just a few days ago. and he said, i feel proud to be a european at this moment. and indeed, it is a rare sense of unity that we're getting particularly on the question of refugees. and they also addressed the question of e u membership for ukraine in precisely this topic, we're hearing increasing suggestions that well, if you crane can't join nato, perhaps it could in least

to countries like georgia, moldova, and bosnia-herzegovina. to help succeed with the democratic reforms and pursue the paths they have freely chosen. more than ever, this crisis demonstrates the importance of north america and europe standing together in nato. there is no security in europe without a strong transatlantic bond. with that, i am ready to take your questions. >> we will go to al jazeera. reporter: how fearful are you about the possible fall of kyiv? how long, in your estimation, can the government of ukraine last? and if we move to a resistance insurgency type of situation, what support can nato then give? >> what we see now is a full-fledged invasion of ukraine , from multiple directions, with air, sea, and land capabilities. this is actually in line with what our intelligence services predicted over a long period of time. we see they are moving towards kyiv and we also see the rhetoric, the messages, which are strongly indicating that the aim is to change government and change and remove sec. gen. stoln close contact with the go

i can't help wondering what if chance had taken a different turn if i had stayed in bosnia during the war. and snowden had left a it is in the system. and i suppose now it's with dish and there was a letter that says that there's a button such as little that there was a mess on what to tell you. it was an order no more just a few things is that the motor squared it is with china. ja m. they are not interested in your video. you don't have to be able to try them out. after the dash nicole core project, whatever you call me, good me cool. clear. doesn't the proposal with necco near or not? are you not earlier? see, i'm almost was to so none of you know, when i was starting little limited, he said you were such cannot see good global orbital snowden film the day that marriage is still came in reverence. and i ran to cerebral here is after the war and film the women who are lost to their songs and has been out of the at the old levy. oh, i will dog robin into the valley. them appropriately. my all will be over. now if for he'll be only part. you know, of those who don't know 0 for you ove

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be in areas like the balkans is talk of russian leading bosnian serbs being involved in a war in bosnia. i if i understand you correctly in the, in what are the russian so the actions are no other than what they will be involved in the conflict. so in the conflicts and boss there are while in baltic states, emma correct man, the standing or maybe not involvement may assist, shall we say or facilitate conflicts. that would be a problem in a burden for nato in places like the balkans. yes, no, no, i don't think so. my mind l as a sexual that that there will be no such interference on the russian side are to go to other the other frozen conflicts are not frozen. even life conflicts like, ah, those which are going in, in balkan saw their conflicts which are going, i mean, internal crisis in baltic states. i think that this is actual look, this is not the purpose that this is not the purpose of most of the this is just, ah, ah, the situation where there was a loss. loss of confidence on behalf of moscow, in my opinion, towards the west, and especially to watch lou canyon authorities because

i love who was, is asked, are in bosnia and herzegovina to closing the coast, influence a legislation that has to do with language. there isn't that specific ways to influence a law there when it comes to the russian language. and of course, we've addressed the questions asked by mrs. ross when it comes to bell, arose with it when it tends to watch and plans for its sponsorship with belarus. it also looks like a one sided approach that it is rooted lower in a view by the west, so that it has the ultimate right to demand dorset, of all kinds of guarantees from russia. whereas russia is not giving any guarantee given, given any guarantees. in return this one sided dialogue, this one sided discussion is repeated and will probably be repeated in the responses that we are waiting for from the west. when it comes to our concerns on the principles of into visibility and security, look and from what i have heard vehicles, but she has them. instead of having a specific responses from each of the o is see a member stage. the european union wants to make a unified documents where they will be no

liam collins is a former colonel who served in afghanistan, and bosnia in his 27 year career.nsively with ukraine to introduce substantial reforms to the military. doctor collins, from what you have seen so far in recent days, how is the ukrainian military fairing? is the ukrainian military fairin: ? �* ., fairing? about where i would have expected. _ fairing? about where i would have expected. we - fairing? about where i would have expected. we usually i fairing? about where i would l have expected. we usually use the weapon systems to take out tanks in the antiaircraft taking out aircraft and from my perspective performing about where they have performed and i think it is surprising vladimir putin how effective they have been who severely outnumbered the ukrainian forces. find been who severely outnumbered the ukrainian forces.— the ukrainian forces. and your assessment — the ukrainian forces. and your assessment of _ the ukrainian forces. and your assessment of the _ the ukrainian forces. and your assessment of the tactics? - the ukrainian forces. and your. assessment of the

i say largely because we've had the balkan war, we saw the, the serbian incursions into bosnia herzegovina. but nonetheless, all in all, we've had 70 years of peace and stability in europe that have come to an end. this is a new era, as many or many leaders have said today, and a waking up a wake up colon and turning point. as you said, melinda, certainly something we've heard echoed again and again. well, we're going to continue talking to you, but the international community have been expressing solidarity and support for ukraine. and here berlin demonstrators have also rallied in front of the brandenburg gate and i think we have some images of that here. oh oh oh, they pulled on hooting to stop his assault on ukraine and appealed for more support from germany in its allies. many attending the rally, we're ukrainian, they're concerned about their family and friends back home. my family, a mother ashley horn scratched things on its way and just now i had to call my dad has said that there are ukrainian things just when my ludmilla runs, the house where they are to live or is grandma's got

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when we have a war in bosnia brutal ethnic cleansing. and nato was saying, look, we're not obliged to defend anybody because they're not natal members. but then we were so called at the end of the cleansing nato deciding that it would need to stop the killing. and then put in place a peacekeeping force under a un mandate that alabama area concept got started around 2002 regularly ministerial meeting and nato and towel was our secretary of state. and i happen to be there with them. and we did the concept of alto area because it's not about who you're defending, it's about where the french are coming from. and we don't control where the address come from. they could come terence as we were thinking after $911.00. they could come from russia and the former soviet union when it was the soviet union. but nowadays were even talking about cyber attacks that come from anywhere or even possible threats from china. so the very concept is less poignant right now. but what we do face is nato members saying that we're not obliged to defend ukraine. a

few years before that, in the mid—90s, there was a very bad conflict in the balkans that sucked in bosniaia, croatia and so on. the real hyperbole that has been talked about but i think is rattling a lot of people all over the world is the talk of this being the beginning of world war iii, and some of the loudest voices saying that our ukrainian voices. i think that is going too far at the moment, because nato is not involved directly in this. this is a conflict within ukraine's borders for now and nato is desperately hoping it stays that way. they want two things, russia to withdraw its troops and go back to its side of the border, and want to act as a deterrent to make sure that president putin does not cross into poland or the baltic states and invade a nato country, because that would be a prelude to war or something much wider. indeed, thank ou for that something much wider. indeed, thank you for that analysis. _ and to our chief international correspondent, lyse doucet. we heard air raid sirens and we have put on ourflakjackets. we heard air raid sirens and we have put on our flakja

if i had stayed in bosnia during the war and snared and had left my concern is that a come on there to new thought he was it to his name of this business. and that it was not with his yesterday said this is the answer is yards. who told sonya the deal with russia conditions was that of the desert the little town. but jane, such a school little time, there was a mess on what to tell you till there was an order. no more just a few things which the 30 nor to square it is movies will china? ya never am. they are more god interested. lydia, you don't have to be able to try to map laughter though i whether chicago corp, which at whatever you call me good me or clear doesn't the proposal we could make or near or knock up a cabinet. elissia goal was to so none. oh, you know an artist rational. no matter. he said you were subscriber siegel or global orbital snowden film. the day that marriage is through came in to friends . and i ran to cerebral into years after the war and film the women who lost their sons and husband at all da forgot at the old levy. oh, i will dog robin into the valley. the

there is also some information that mercenaries from kosovo, romania bosnia and herzegovina are hired. we do it in order to put trash out of balance and send those mercenaries to the dumbass were now verifying this information will be some human shorts. message ration described by mr. shots, the situation with yugoslavia you did not have anything to do with a genocide though, and no was, or the traditional rulings on an international level scheme that would provide such a view. let me see, oh, we know what was the real reason for the bombing the american citizen video with mr . walker, head of the o. s. c e mission. in casa one summer, it was a period of armed conflict. williams and he gathered journalists from the research and made an announcement on that 30 civilians were found dead killed by subs. just he called the genocide, it was his own decision. even though he didn't have an right to say that he decided to pull the mission from kosovo. and it was the trigger for to start bombings by nature. said that after the atrocities committed by the fall against the goods these villages i

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you have the austrian foreign minister was on the board in bosnia.the former french candidates and former prime minister who is on the board of two russian energy companies. he resigned two days ago. the conflict regarding russia is incapacitating us. john: we will watch what happens on that front and watch what happens on the sanctions. in your estimation, with all the moves we have seen, is there any evidence that vladimir putin would be ready to stop at any time? >> i haven't seen any evidence of that yet. this is the most worrying aspect of what is going on. as an independent analyst, i don't know how i can talk about this on air publicly. vladimir putin does not show any evidence of stepping down. he put his force on its highest level of alert. if he sees he is not winning on the apple field with conventional weapons, he has other resources like nuclear weapons which can be used. the question people in europe are asking themselves is if he feels cornered enough and he feels he is losing, what would he be prepared to do? i think the only solution

that is the emotional equivalent of ethnic cleansing in bosnia.lly most kids get over middle school. those who don't tend to leave home and not come back. they become interpretive dance majors at the small liberal arts colleges or run for congress. ever wonder why america's traditional party of the unionized workingman suddenly sounds like a van full of eighth-grade girls on the way to prom on the urge dome on verge of tears? at this point, that is pretty much exactly what the democratic party is. you really notice it in the way they speak. for democrats, there are no more small problems. no challenges minor. every speed bump is a full-blown catastrophe. every disagreement, total war. losing an election? they can even talk about it. close your eyes and try to picture the scariest threat you can imagine. the prowler at the door, the monster under the bed, an irs audit. now multiply that seen by 1 million sweat covered nightmares and you are just beginning to approach the level of terror the democrats feel when they think about giving up power. it's

the students cheered as operated him for passing his citizenship test, munir moved to america from bosniathe early 2000 after the bosnian war and he said achieving his dream is something you will never forget.>> i am so happy. i am an american citizen.>> i was so happy for him. i was like oh my gosh, munir will stay here and will always have so much joy because he is here.>> is so sweet. munir said he has been waiting 22 years for the moment. people wait a long time so to finally pass the test it means so much. >> as a get very love from the kids is so meaningful. >> congratulations. next on kpix 5 and streaming on cbs news bay area.>> we >>> back to our developing story. intense fighting across ukraine as russian forces continue their advance. >> anne makovec has the latest update from the alive news desk , but first we know you have breaking news from president biden.>> yet this just in the last few minutes, federal judge ketanji brown jackson will be his nominee for the supreme court. she would be the first black woman to hold that post. we will be hearing a lot more about that over th

the same hilary that lied about benghazi and about that trip to bosnia under sniper fire. the same hilary clinton who will lied about whitewater and her husband's many transgressions. let's draw your, shall we? >> this is the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it. it's the vast right wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced presidency. >> sean: bill did in fact have relations with that woman and many other women apparently. he knew exactly what was going on and she chose to lie about that and so many other things for that is because hillary clinton is a world-renowned liar or congenital liar as william safire once said. that is what she does day in and day out. and given what we know, ask yourself this question. are you going to trust in official court filing from a special prosecutor or do you trust hillary clinton? i think the answer could not be more obvious. here with morris donald trump jr. you know, it is amazing. we had already known what happened with the pfizer application. d

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mutineer moved to america from bosnia after the bosnian war and he said celebrating this event is onforget.>> i am so happy, finally i am an american citizen.>> i was so happy for him. i was like oh my gosh, mutineer will stay here and will always have so much joy because he is here.>> she is so sweet. he says he has been waiting 22 years for this moment and what a moment that is, especially with all the kids.>> celebrating with all his friends. i love it. do not forget the news continues all day on cbs news bay area where live at the top of the 7:00 hour.>> cbs mornings is coming up next on kpix 5 , have a great week and enjoy the warm-up. >>> welcome l to "cbs mornings." hello to our viewers on the west coast on this friday. you made it. i'm tony dokoupil. >> i'm nate burleson. >> i'm adriana diaz. >> and i'm gayle king in los angeles. we're all here. let's go to today's "eye opener," it's your world in 90 seconds. >> putin is the aggressor. he chose this war. now he and his the country will bear the consequences. >> president biden and allies announce severe sanctions on russia as

we urge clinton's invasion of bosnia in 1995 and actually attacked politicians like phil graham. signed a letter to -- [inaudible] bosnian muslims. so i think it is not as unusual as maybe we have been saying. russia makes it a little different. but of course, we just had a republican president who is basically pro putin in many ways, for four years. and the one thing i would say is this. first of all, trump has not really weighed in in a big way on this in the last few days or weeks or months, i don't think. but what he says will be important and that will probably -- some republicans. some of them who are against supporting the president, president biden. but the main thing to be said is that everything changes if putin invades, whether it is a big one or small one. the moment troops cross the border, you are in a different world than. and things can change very quickly in terms of the politics here. it looks very different if we have russian planes bombing ukrainian sites and having refugees come across the border. i don't know if it makes people less hawkish or more hawkish.

. >> participated in lethal conduct in bosnia. they're obligated. >> final thought?how far germany has come in the last 12 months on issues related to china and germany -- to russia, he won't say it. but six months ago, they were saying, this has nothing to do with tensions with russia. >> thanks to all of you. the announcement from the tennis star peng shuai that is raising questions. so you can “ahhhh” more. - ahhh... - ahhhh... - ahhhhh!!!!!!! - ahhhhh!!!!!!! ahhhhh! ahhhhh! aaaaah... i'll see you at the hotel. priceline. every trip is a big deal. get your personal points plan! i'm james corden and i'm here to tell people that ww is getting even more personal. keep on shopping, ignore us. i've lost like 28 pounds. you look great! i love that my clothes fit better, but i just love ice cream a little bit more than that. the new ww personal points program is particular to you. so what kind of foods do you like? avocado. ice cream. sandwiches. no food is off limits. when can i start?! get started for just $10 a month at ww.com hurry! offer ends february 7th! what happ

black because their one quarter black or sometimes even half or mothers tie and the father is from bosniahat is the child and the child is just nothing and i think that kind of person frustrates people who like to talk about white versus black because they want to keep it down to the certain categories. for reasons that make sense they want to foster this constant guilt. the truth is when i discussed the sorts of issues i discussed i think to myself i'm putting aloft awful lot of energy into a discussion that's going to look like something some people a long time ago were arguing too much about in 60 years but i can't help being part of my own time. and is racism going to go away western mark probably not. will there be some other form of discrimination that comes into play after mark i suspect classism will become sharper in the future world but we are becoming much more. it depends on the neighborhoods but there are plenty of months in even for example dissent for white communities. a lot of interracial marriages in that world now. a lot of interracial marriages in theblack ghetto . >>

it's one of three aspiring numbers along with bosnia-herzegovina and georgia.he citizens of russia, you are not our enemy. i do not believe you want a bloodied destructive war agains ukraine. for country with people that yo share such deep ties of family as history and culture. >> the overcharged words russia the grappling in particular is central plan for the white hous at the moment along with helpin to on the arm the ukrainians. russia sees ukraine's possible nato membership as a nonstarter a threat even that would put th military alliance on its border but a tonight sources tell fox news that despite russian claim about moving its forces back from the ukrainian border, the kremlin is moving those troops forward and ominous signal a threat if not intention from moscow. this as u.s. intelligence reports increased cyber attacks and expected prelude to a possible hot or. >> we talk about invasion or not , in fact, we thought the cyber attacks today we will sta where they actually came from but vladimir putin has been at war with the west for a long time and the

i covered the war in bosnia, a small country compared to ukraine. ukraine has 40 million people.f syria. and when the crisis in syria happened, anywhere between half a million and a million refugees fled into europe. earlier, you remember talking about 2 million to 3 million people fleeing ukraine. these ukrainians enjoyed their democracy. it wasn't perfect. there was corruption and economic problems in ukraine, but many ukrainians are not going to want to live under vladimir putin's iron fist, to be blunt. so, i do -- i home we see very severe sanctions from the europeans because they're going to face economic challenges either way. this has all been the cause of vladimir putin. i think he personally should be sanctioned, but you'll have a massive outflow of millions of refugees bigger than the one from syria into these european countries. and they need to push back aggressively right now against vladimir putin. >> the scope of the potential humanitarian crisis boggles the mind. courtney, i want to talk about president biden making it clear the u.s. is not participating in milit

putin could not do what he would normally do, where we've seen in chechnya and bosnia, and that is shell civilian areas. that has slowed down the military into the cities because they have no real support. makes them very vulnerable to ukrainian defenses. social media is slowing down the russians and every hour, every day that the ukrainians can slow things down is to their benefit. we know these new sanctions on the s.w.i.f.t. banking system, if the u.s. sanctions the bank, that will have an immediate effect. it won't be like sanctions that take weeks and months to have effect. there could be immediate effects on the russian economy on monday. the effect of all this is that we now have the russians negotiating where they'll hold peace talks. that is a big deal. if we see the russians agree to something other than belarus, it's a good sign that there's a possibility, or at least a ray of hope we can get some peace negotiations under way in the next few days. >> as the people of ukraine wait for these negotiations to come to fruition or not, they're seeing the shootings and bombings and a

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is the executive editor of the new yorker.com and was awarded a pulitzer prize for his coverage in bosnia. thanks so much for joining me, david. earlier today -- >> thank you. >> thanks for coming. >> earlier today, lester holt spoke with secretary of state anthony blinken about the possibility of an imminent invasion. i want to play the sound of that interview for you. >> do you have reason to believe that before this night is over, russian forces will be engaged in something akin to a full invasion of ukraine? >> i do. unfortunately, russia has positioned its forces at the final point of readiness across ukraine's borders, to the north, to the east, to the south. everything seems to be in place for russia to engage in major aggression against ukraine. >> david, we have heard this from the white house for several days, that an attack is imminent. for a while, it seemed like there was a plausible theory that some of this could have been theater on the part of putin to get the west to the negotiation table. i wonder if you think that that is a fantasy at this point. whether you think that

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than in the balkans, if you can remember back to the '90s those of us who were alive and i lived in bosniarmath of the war. it's going to be worse than that potentially. >> which is a dire thing to think about, evelyn. ambassador mcfall, general zwack, let me bring you back. court, i'll join you in a minute. if we could get andrea's question answered. there was a moment during the president's speech that turned into a news conference where he was asked directly if he's urging china to help isolate russia. i find that interesting that president biden stepped away from that question. he didn't say yes and he didn't say no and didn't knock it down. he just simply said i am not going to touch that. he said i'm not prepared to comment on that at the moment. ambassador mcfall, how do you read into that? >> i was very struck by that comment, too, or the noncomment. i know that they are trying to work the chinese angle of this. they want to create some distance between and putin. these are two leaders that are very close and it's quite interesting to watch so far what the chinese reaction has been

are black because there one quarter black or even half, the mother is thai and the father is from bosnia the child is nothing and that kind of person frustrates people who talk white versus black to keep it down to certain categories for reasons that make sense to them they want to foster this constant guilt. the truth is when i discussed the issues i'm putting a lot of energy into a discussion that looks like some people were arguing too much about but i can't help being part of my own time. is racism going to go away? probably not. will there be another form of discrimination that comes into play? classism will become sharper. we are becoming mutts. there are plenty of mutts in even for example distant, poor white communities. there are a lot of interracial marriages although we don't think about that much. there are lots of interracial marriages in the black ghettos. >> host: i will go to your limbic a stick -- linguistic background. explain the difference. banks are less likely to give loans to black people. black people are less likely to get loans from a bank. wikipedia i read that

i lived in bosnia right after the war. it was a brutal, blood di war very intense in '92, '93, and brought it to an end in a '95. it took so long. i'm afraid it will be a grinding, brutal war. this is why i'm really glad that the administration went to the united nations because the answer to russia has to be concerted diplomatic pressure. they need to have the light shined right on them, and think need to be told to stand down and need to be told they will be held accountable by the entire world, not just the united states, european allies, and japan. >> obviously, ambassador, we haven't spoken a whole lot about the ukrainians caught in the cross fire here. you and i have talked about the fact that you were there very recently. you've got 2 million people in eastern ukraine alone. what's going to happen there? because the ones being sent to russia say they're being dumped with no food, no place to stay. >> chris, it is miserable in those two little puppet states that the russians have set up. it is miserable there. it's m

lederman from brussels, joining me now is retired army general ben hodges iii, during the conflict in bosnia, and former commander of the u.s. army in europe in 2014, the year russia first invaded ukraine. he is now the pershing chair in strategic study in the center for european policy analysis. general, sir, welcome, so glad to have you here. first question to you, are you surprised by intelligence reports that the russia is meeting with more resistance than it expected? >> this is the best news i've heard in a long time. but i'm not surprised. the ukrainian soldiers have learned and grown so much since 2014. and i think that what we're seeing is our ukrainian armed forces over performing and russian forces under performing. i think matt has done a good job of laying that out. none of the objectives have been met on time, almost every single city and airfield that was targeted is either still in ukrainian hands or was lost after a much tougher fight than was expected and what we're seeing in kyiv, frankly, at this point, and i'm reluctant to predict how long things last but i don't think i