if you look at issues like bosnia or iraq itself, there are people in the left to of humanitarian challengesand people on the right who were isolationists, that is certainly true. i'm not sure what an independent is rather than perhaps some one who does it case-by-case. >> right, or at least someone who recognizes there can't be a simple partyline on these national security issues. someone who who does not want to be banned by party lines on social and cultural issues. interestingly at found kissinger as a young man was in rather the same position. he saw himself as a small conservative, he certainly and self identify as a liberal in the 1950s or 1960s. the real american conservatives, republican convention in 1964 he was appalled, he had none easy relationship with the right and the republican party. indeed with the conservatives as well. that is the interesting thing about kissinger's predicament. he has enemies on the left and he also has enemies on the right particularly in the base of the 1970s whether it was a sellout. >> so the book is called the idealists. it is a rather contrarian t