. ♪ >> let's bring our guest into the show now, we have joining us from boston glenn, former deputy nationalgence officer for transnational threats and the national intelligence council. in cardiff, michael levy, professor of criminology at cardiff university and alexander virginia, former u.s. to part and prosecutor. welcome. if i could start with glenn, this is an innovative and eative approach. almost coming out of a movie. how did it come about? >> i don't know the details of this specific operation, although it is creative and i am happy to be able to talk for once about a real triumph and dramatic success of the fbi, law enforcement, intelligence and international cooperation. it is not an unusual operation in many ways. i have worked closely with the bureau for decades and they can do simply spectacular work. law enforcement is what they do. the agency tends to find fault with them more frequently on intelligence issues because that is our daily work and there are rivalries. but in law-enforcement they can be spectacular. >> but this is another level, this seems unprecedented to convi

joining us now, boston globe opinion writer and editorial board member. and glenn prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst. gentlemen, thank you for being with us. let's start with you. there are good people across this country who think that this is best left behind us, it's over. donald trump's out. he's been impeached a couple of times. we have a president who does not seem to make this a priority. he seems to think that reconciliation of some sort is the main order of the day. what makes you and your colleagues at the boston globe think this is an important course of business for the country to pursue? >> well, ali, thanks for having me on. you know, i totally understand the impulse to want to just move on and never look back, but that would be extraordinarily irresponsible. the donald trump presidency was an unprecedented time in american history in the level of corruption and the scale of corruption that we saw, and we have to learn and study exactly what went wrong because we were very close to seeing the collapse of american democracy. and we're seeing it stil

let's bring in glenn coll, he's a former deputy national intelligence officer for trans national threats at the central intelligence agency. join just skype from boston. glen, good job you back with us. so how significant then is this report by the new york times on what more detail does it add to what we already know about jennifer sharp? she's murder. well i think it has important because to the average listener or viewer will associate by one step or remove that all the united states government with the thugs who assassinate shows. that's not a good thing. however, the training that occurred is the kind of training that, that so the united states and other countries provide to allies to have closer relations to increase the standards in the skills of the other nations. and i know that the united states does not, does not condone or teach assassination techniques. so politically it's, it's unfortunate association, it's something that's happened for decades by many nations and to the u. s. good, not teach them to do a fergus estimation. yeah. so how embarrassing then, glenn, is this for the u. s. government? because presumably officials authorize th