are bot nets.ere what are bot nets?> a collection of computers that have been hijacked by viruses, essentially. and then hackers use those computers to send fake traffic s, and often it is websites playing autoclave pre- roll. -- autoplay pre-roll. buys intoe kind of the system, but when i look at this, i look at companies that do this right before ipos or corporate bonuses are paid. these companies, the ceos of these companies have a tremendous multimillion dollar financial incentive to pull off these scams. >> i don't know if there is proof of that. publishers may buy cheap traffic and they don't ask questions, so they may be complicit in the process, but they are not generating the traffic themselves. does this sort of regular shuffle and they change their algorithm results, we see things like we saw last week with expedia were suddenly the traffic they are getting from thingsis a result of people were not actually searching for. >> i don't know if it is premeditated, but it is a big problem, so that is why we decide

. -- using a bot net and letting them do their malicious bidding for them.t's hard to block all those attackers when you can't tell them from humans or bots. >> you think we will see more of these kinds of attacks this year? >> i think we will see a rise in it. social media that -- social media websites will be in an attack and commerce websites are going after user profiles and banks as well. >> they will definitely face these kinds of attacks. it's a growth in this kind of style. >> big news in the security world, fire i announced under the radar security firm of more than a billion dollar acquisition. >> it was obviously a pretty plum acquisition that has a lot of attention because it specializes in cyber espionage from nationstates like china. they got a lot of attention when they responded to attacks like on the new york times. their ipo did really well and it did enough to create this acquisition but a link between this company that has a product and a company that does a lot of very sophisticated response is pretty powerful. the stock went way up. it'

in a sense, we make it so the bot nets cannot understand your website to attack it. >> and who is usinghe technology right now? when you take a look, there's been so many high-profile attacks. for one, the target security breach. when you look at attacks like that, do you think, we could have prevented that? that was preventable? >> there's not a lot of information out about that attack yet. but we do believe that if it came in through the website, that we would have deflected it. so, we work with major health insurers, major ecommerce companies, major banks, major financial institutions. anybody operating a website that has truly valuable information behind it. >> and are you working closely with google? one of your co-founders is a former google guy. >> we are working with a variety of companies here in silicon valley that want next generation defense for their websites. >> derek, we're going to leave it there. great to speak with you. great to understand this company that's emerging on the scene. derek smith of shape security. let's trade some of the cyber security stocks. since palo