it happened to me when i was in botany class, where you have to collect, kill, and smash flat a hundred plants - well, i'm telling you, when i got done with class, every flower i saw, i thought, "wow, smashed flat! dead! it really looked good!" i was sort of infected with this primal gathering behavior, and i really felt it very strongly. i had to deprogram myself from that very survival mechanism of gathering - the gathering of food, the gathering of - i had to deprogram myself. so i think that the ritual stems from a survival mechanism of human behavior, of repeated behaviors are often survival mechanisms. >> and let me plug that into another analogy, or just an insight into religion and education - may have used it, may not, but here, we'll use it again. education and religion - educational institutions are at the same time institutions of stability and control. at the same time, educational institutions are foundations for innovation, for transcendence - knowledge is an extraordinary power. and that's why we have these colleges and universities, so that people like me and my adminis

another real specialty of ours, botanical things, because that's the way i met edward, of course, doing botanystuff. >> so he would come in and buy books for you? >> uh-huh. and i would find books for him that he liked and would use. he was building a garden for his sister, and so -- >> did he, he lived around here? >> he lived in d.c. at that point. he, his life span, his work years were with federal highways, and he did that from the time -- he was born in altoona, and then he did that for all the years. and then he had a heart attack -- not a serious one, this was before i met him. he was playing golf in january. he had a long-term l golf partner named okimoto. he was truman's photographer. but he and edward played golf at every opportunity. and then he got the heart attack from playing in january. but it was a light one. but he retired. he took early retirement, and he was 55 at the time. when i met him. and i was 45 at that time. so we got married. this is where all the essays and biographies and literary things go, and we give a whole shelf over to emerson, and then it's writings of all

the queen didn't say, oh, tell us what new things you learned about the botany of where you land. [laughter] no, no. he might be interested in it. his crew might be interested in it, but not the people who wrote the checks. third greatest driver -- we see much less of this today than what was common hundreds of years ago, and that is the prize of royalty or deity, the effort to appease an entity that's perceived to be or is literally more powerful than you are. that's how you get the pyramids. that's how you get the cathedral building. now, so today you don't have kings and gods motivating major funded projects of nations, but there was a 2k5eu -- day when we did. i said to myself, okay, if we're going to go to mars and mars is expensive, it's going to have to satisfy one of those two criteria; otherwise, we're just never going to mars, and this was my revelation, and that is the centerpiece of that chapter and all the rest of what went on in human culture orbits that revelation in that chapter. i said to myself, my, gosh, i wonder how many people know this because you hang around