churchill talked bat conversation that he had with botha when he first meets him later on, and botha introduced himself and he says, you don't recognize me. don't you realize it was me, me personally, it was i, who captured you personally? and churchill continued to brief that. but it was a great friendship, as was smutz and that itit that was reaching across the divide, especially after war, that is so important, and i wish every nation could learn from that. any other questions? yes. >> -- more about the role she played on that occasion supporting a very unpopular imperial war in america. >> i would so, we were talking last night about jennie jerome and she was a piece of work, a very interesting woman, and incredibly beautiful and i think that unfortunately because of that and because of the relationship she had after heir husband's death, often the focus is sort of an that instead of on the fact that, as i said, she was incredibly smart, charismatic and had incredible energy vivaciousity. and his father meant a great deal to him. he had a great deal of admiration for his father,