taking place in africa and the amount of business that's already happening there between china and botswanatween india and zambia. >> rose: mainly about natural resources, or what? >> much of it is about natural resources but it's really about building companies, building technology, building telecommunications. >> rose: so barclays gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. you have no sense that too big to fail is an issue? >> i hate that phrase "too big to fail." you can can imagine. but let me tell you -- >> did it not turn out to be true for citigroup or not, to big to fail? does d that happen? was that the reality? >> but that's not necessarily about tomorrow. and i think the important thing-- let's start with the basics. why are banks large? why is barclays large, global, interconnected, and complex? charlie, it's because our client are big, global, interconnected. most of the corporates we do business with do business in multiple countries around the world. they manufacture in multiple countries. the u.s. treasury were number one in issuing and trading government debt in the u.k.