let's go down to north carolina to the bowman gray racetrack, a short track, a lot of people in the sand, love to see the short track racing, a lot of local heros in the pack there. the red car cruising by, that's the red car of derek fult, and the guy there is the leader next to him, scott hull, in the 54 car. they are door-to-door going a p around into the back corner. they spin rp around into the guardrail, yellow lights are on, but that's just the beginning. look at what scott does, backs up, rams his opponent. >> oh, no! >> look at hull, backing up further, head-to-head they smash into each other, and the entire field now is brought to a stop. cutting through the infield to catch up with hull and just misses him. >> breaking all kinds of rules right now. >> just what were they thinking? to find out, we have the driver of the red car joining us right this minute. you guys just went completely crazy. how did this happen? >> it was a lot of -- before the race, conflict going on. the driver of the 54 car had no problem with it. 140 some degrees in the car as we pulled off the track. >>