it turns out that even though that was claimed by fourth officer boxhall including the fact that he saw the telegraphs showing full as stern we cannot confirm that by anybody down in the engine room. there were a number of eyewitnesss of people down there who also testified. and what we do know is that titanic's engines did go as stern, but it went as stern after the ship had collided, about a minute to a minute and a half after. the truth of the matter is, there's just not tough time to take these reciprocating engines and throw them from full ahead to full as stern. there's some amount of time -- and the engine room staff weren't on standby. there was nobody around really to quickly be able to maneuver the engines to do that. so to answer your question is they didn't have enough time for any change of the reversal of engines to have any effect whatsoever. plus the fact that titanic, the way the engines were -- the arrangement of engines on titanic, they had to cut out the central turbine engine which was -- which ran the propeller directly ahead of the rudder. that propeller can't go

what they believed was the sos position sent out by titanic's forth officer boxhall who calculated the position, and somewhere in calculating that position an error was made. we don't go into too much detail about how the error was made. we refers a document that does do that in the book. nonetheless, an error was made. and the calculated position. we know now titanic sank obviously on the eastern side of the ice field. and what this slide here shows, the situation is between 6:00 and 6:30 in morning where the mount temple was located about here heading slowly northward after trying to find a path to cut across southward, they couldn't do that. they were heading northward here. they noticed the carpathia about eight to nine miles across the pack -- the ice field to the east picking up the life boats. at the same time they saw the californian at that time crossing the ice field up north about two to three miles wide, cutting across about the same distance north of them as carpathia was to the east of them. knowing these dimensions, we could again confirm that the distance between califo