boyce watkins, we don't know what happened the night zimmerman shot trayvon martin. we don't know whether it was racially motivated. you think rates is a huge part of this story. tell us why. >> because i think it's quite reasonable to believe what happened to trayvon that night would not have happened had he been white. all things that led to zimmerman finding him suspicious, chasing him down and eventually killing him all relates back to him being a young black man. part of the reason this case has sparked so much controversy around the world is because there are millions of people who can identify with that, millions of black men including myself, women as well, who know what it's like to look suspicious even when you don't done anything wrong. to somehow extract race from the case of trayvon martin would border on the delusional actually. >> carol, you say the whole discussion about george zimmerman shouldn't be racialized, shall we say. explain what we mean. >> i don't believe that the black leaders should be using race in the way they have and encouraged young