. >>> i want to bring in boyce watkins. with me here michaela angela davis. professor watkins, what do you make of this? i know you've been a fan of paula deen for a long time. >> yeah, i think her food is good, actually. it was one of my favorite restaurants so like a lot of people i was disappointed to hear about any of this. i tried to understand this. i tried to look at it from a human standpoint and when i see paula deen and i'm from the south like she is icy her like the charles barkley of cooking. she sells you food that might kill you and tell you a joke that might offend you and political correctness isn't her strong suit. if you look throughout her life you see a woman that has probably learned the hard way that you can't just sort of lay yourself out there for the public to consume because not everybody is going to get the joke, and i certainly don't get the joke because this is a very serious issue. >> it -- there's -- is there a difference between political -- people throw around that term political correctness but if, in fact, and we don't know

. >>> i want to bring in boyce watkins. with me here michaela angela davis. professor watkins, what do you make of this? i know you've been a fan of paula deen for a long time. >> yeah, i think her food is good, actually. it was one of my favorite restaurants so like a lot of people i was disappointed to hear about any of this. i tried to understand this. i tried to look at it from a human standpoint and when i see paula deen and i'm from the south like she is i see her like the charles barkley of cooking. she sells you food that might kill you and tell you a joke that might offend you and political correctness isn't her strong suit. if you look throughout her life you see a woman that has probably learned the hard way that you can't just sort of lay yourself out there for the public to consume because not everybody is going to get the joke, and i certainly don't get the joke because this is a very serious issue. >> it -- there's -- is there a difference between political -- people throw around that term political correctness but if, in fact, and we don't kno

i spoke with reverend jesse jackson and professor boyce watkins. >> reverend jackson, what did you andk about? >> she explained that she is not a racist. she appeared to be contrite and agonizing over the accusations. but the issue is not just the words but she must spend her time now focused on the workplace conditions, a, and the plan to have workplace conditions that pass the test. if she does that, she can be reclaimed and redeemed. >> professor watkins, we spoke the other day about her. you said in the past you were a fan of hers. i'm wondering if your opinion has changed at all just over the last couple of days. what do you make of where she is now? >> in order to really try to connect with paula and to connect with the situation, i reach to my elders. i spoke with reverend jackson and my grandmother. those perspectives allowed me to do something i can't do at my age, which is to really look at the world through the eyes of somebody who dealt with the paula deens of the world in the '50s, '60s and '70s. the best lesson that paula deen can get from all of this is to know there's a