we talked to bryan cranston and brad furman and robert mazur whose life the character is based on. >> it's an e-mail ga an amalgamn audience expects. when i read a story about a man who's fighting to deepkeep the goodness in him. > >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: we begin this evening with politics again. donald trump is said to announce his vice presidential pick tomorrow morning here in new york. several indications point to indiana governor mike pence as his choice. the r.n.c. revealed thursday the speakers at next week's convention in cleveland. trump and clinton are locked in dead heat less than four months from election day according to the "new york times" poll. nick joins us from the "new york times." mike joins us, a contributor to msnbc and morning joe. pleased to have both of them. what do we make of this piece you wrote in the "new york tim

but what the filmmaker brad furman was keenly interested in doing was showing that although this guyown definition is merely we know it is a kind of sociopathy there are drugs and dead body nses his wake wherever he goes. >> stephen: yeah, yeah, that is a downer. >> he does operate by a kind of moral conduct that is on some level a mirror image of the protagonist of the film. in fact, it is the kind of set of qualities that bonds the two together and creates a kind of friendship. >> stephen: do they become real friends. >> they become real friends. so by the end of the film, what we have really discovered is that audience members are deeply conflicted when he, in fact, is taken down. and that's not giving the ending away, because we know what happens at the end of the titanic, the ship does sink. this actually did happen. >> stephen: great, great, but jack's okay, right. >> jack's okay. >> stephen: thank you so much for being here. it was lovely to meet you. >> thank you. >> stephen: benjamin bratt. he is a bad guy in "the infiltrator" in theaters today. we'll be right back. with our

mark furman and brad authorize are here on what we're learning tonight about the suspect. reverend jesse jackson and david clark will explain what they think is fueling this fire. >>> cell phone video taken from inside the building where the gunman launched his attack. this was filmed from inside the lobby. you will hear the gunshots ring out, and you'll see police in pursuit of the gunman. watch. >> oh, my gosh. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> get back! [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> el centro college, downtown. [ bleep ]. >> show me your hands! show me your hands! >> my hands are good, sir. i'm a security, sir. [ bleep ]. >> here now is patrick cooper, the man who took that video. patrick, thank you so much for being here. what was your first reaction when you heard the danger come into the building that you were in? did you realize it was an active shooter situation? >> at first i didn't know what to think. i thought this was, you know, firecrackers, fireworks going off. and everything just happened all at once. and my emotions were everywhere. i couldn't really think str