former fbi profiler and abc news consultant brad garrett says real ransom kidnappings just don't look like this. >> when you listen to the front end of this case, and from my vantage point some very bizarre details. the tape over the goggles. i mean, it almost sounds like somebody had a movie script and they were reading it. >> it was unbelievable. aaron spent 17 hours with the police without an attorney and we started getting very worried about what was happening. >> reporter: things are getting testy, when aaron agrees to submit to a polygraph administered with the help of the fbi. >> the police and the fbi were doing a very hard interview, as we call it. but unfortunately, he didn't like it and he decided to cut the interview off. >> he submitted to everything. he volunteered dna samples. he did everything. they should've started thinking, and saying, "okay, let's look -- let's forget about classifying this guy as a dirtbag. let's start looking at him as a human being." >> reporter: but to police, aaron is looking less like a victim and more like a menacing mastermind. >> it was ma

such a tough story and so many questions so let's bring in former fbi profiler brad garrett. we've got i.c.e. and the san francisco pd pointing fingers at one another. do you have a sense of who is actually in the wrong here or are they both in the wrong possibly? >> well i think what you've got, dan, is two organizations that have, you know, they have a different mission. i don't think it's a matter of miscommunication as this particular person just noted on camera, they have an ordinance in san francisco not to enforce i.c.e. or immigration warrants. so, you know naturally driven by a number of reasons so i think they chose not to do it and let him go and unfortunately we've had this horrible tragedy. >> what's the rationale behind this law that prevents the law enforcement officials in san francisco of notifying i.c.e. or turning somebody over to i.c.e.? >> because, dan, immigration laws are a big rub particularly in ethnically diverse communities obviously like san francisco and so the police want to separate themselves from doing immigration enforcement because it causes

let's talk with brad garrett and carter ham.ou of course served in iraq as well, you certainly looked at the issues of forced protection there, but you advised the pentagon on how to protect our service members, as part of your investigation into the ft. hood massacre, what do you think should happen now? >> i think the right thing to do now is to do a comprehensive approach, there are, as you mentioned, martha, thousands of u.s. military facilities that are embedded in the fabric of our society around the country, and it's also noteworthy, that very sadly the four marines and the navy petty officer who were killed were on a federal installation, not in the civilian sector. how the shooter was able to gain access into that facility i think certainly merits further study. >> one of the suggestions is to arm them. i think people don't realize sometimes that on these bases people aren't really armed, except for some security people, do you think they should be armed? >> i think it's premature. it should be looked at. i know some st

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agent and current abc news analyst brad garrett says usually in these situations police know within minutes if they are really dealing with an active shooter or not and he understands why reports at gunfire at government building draw a huge response but he says that response may need to become more measured. >> if we have these with more regularity, law enforcement and the emergency medical people can't respond to this every day. you can really burn up a lot of manpower and money over in these cases nothing. tom: garrett says that the reports of possible terrorism and reports of the actual mass shootings have a lot of people hyper vigilant right now. that may be why we have seen two of the situations back to back like this. kimberly? kimberly: tom did brad happen to mention whether there is any way it could be two copycat situations or whether this could be a situation where someone is casing our military installations? tom: he didn't go into detail on that but he said this does kind of show it doesn't take much right now to get police to do what he called a level five level of response. t

the former fbi special agent brad garrett, who was also talking about this on the sunday shows yesterdayn abc's this week, here's a bit of his exchange. [video clip] >> the world is a soft target except for these little bitty pockets. you can't take a recruiting station and target part of it because you take away what is therefore, which is for us to walk in and decide if we want to join the military. we have to face the reality that some of us are just going to be vulnerable doing what we do day in and day out. having said that -- >> do think they should arm people of these recording stations? >> we should not be in a big hurry. you are talking about arming folks that are walking around in a civilian population. i see big issues with that. >> what do you think we can do about soft targets? >> the only thing you can do is improve your intelligence. in other words, the shooting at january, we didn't know about. cannot happen again? -- can that happen again? of course again. but we are not going to an lockdown every facility in the country. host: we are asking viewers should soldiers be al