jacobs is a senior editor at us weekly and he joins us. let's talk about the characters he played. he was a character actor. he didn't have a name, you know, like a bradalec baldwin or whatever where you immediately, many people immediately recognize his face. but when you see him, that guy, oh, my gosh, he was great. look at the list of movies he was in. >> right. well, phil just disappeared into his roles. >> right. >> that's what he loved most was so delve into a role. he talked about how sometimes for four or five weeks he didn't even want to talk to people when he was shooting because he wanted to immerse himself. and you think of the roles that you know him best for, "magnolia", "scent of a woman", "capote." he played a frat boy in "the talented mr. ripley." he played a gay author in "capote." he played in "the hunger games: catching fire." all over the place that is the definition of a character actor. he won that oscar in spite of the fact that he just wanted to be a small actor. an we also saw him a lot here in new york. i saw him do "death of a salesman." he was nominated for three different tonys. he was really into -- into being something