allegations of fraud and criminal activity at the expense of some of sandy's hardest-hit families. >> brad kiesermannot going to sit here and conceal the fact that it happened. because in the last three weeks, i've seen evidence of it. >> alfonsi: you say you've seen evidence of these fraudulent reports. >> kieserman: yes. >> alfonsi: you've seen evidence of what could be criminal activity by using unlicensed engineers? >> kieserman: yes, which is why i referred it to the inspector general. >> alfonsi: when did fema learn that there may be a problem here, that fraudulent reports may be used to deny claims? >> kieserman: i think that there were signals. based on what i've seen, if you will, signals in late 2013 early 2014 that there were problems that our survivors were experiencing with engineering, with the claims process, with appeals. but those were signals. and i think those signals got louder, if you will... >> alfonsi: it was more than signals. this is... this is a letter to fema in the summer of 2013 that clearly says that the person conducting, doing the inspections here wasn't a licensed en