back and for economic education policy correspondent and baits politics cofounder, very busy, brad polumbo. welcome, everyone. ned, i know the hard core trump supporters want the former president to run. how much have the january 6 hearings hurt voters who like his policies but were put off by his behavior? >> zero. no, i mean, kennedy, you're going to have negligible effects and probably not top 10, 15, or top 20 for most of the voters. when you look at what's important to them, it's inflation, it's gas prices, it's grocery prices and all the things that are impacting their daily lives. january 6 is only really important to those inside the corridor and the only impact the january 6 committee has on any actions will be to put the final nail in the coffin of liz cheyney's political career. talking about trump and pence being an equal contest as though pence can compete against trump, it's 800-pound gorilla versus a political pygmy. kind of adorable but not close. >> or david versus go riot and maybe pence has the rock that shatters trump mystique. i don't think pence is the guy. but when d