brad raffensperger is a lifelong republican, an engineer who turned to politics, then found himself in the middle of the 2020 firestorm. - i understand the secretary of state, who is really, he's an enemy of the people. - [margaret] he's received death threats and won reelection in 2022 despite a challenge from a trump-backed opponent. - [group] black votes matter! - [margaret] he's also defended his state against allegations from the left. - jim crow 2.0 is about two insidious things: voter suppression and election subversion. - [margaret] with trump's phone call at the center of criminal investigations and georgia eparing for 2024, what does georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger say now? - [narrator] "firing line" with margaret hoover is made possible in part by: robert granieri, vanessa and henry cornell, the fairweather foundation, the tepper foundation, the asness family foundation, the mckenna family foundation, charles r. schwab, and by the rosalind p. walter foundation, and damon button. corporate funding is provided by stephens inc. - secretary brad raffensperger, welc

brad raffensperger was told to look out for one of those letters. he will join us next. >>> this is domestic terrorism and it needs to be condemned by anyone that holds elected office and anyone that wants to hold electeted office a anywhere ini americica. >>> federal law enforcement is on high alert this morning as public officials in multiple states, mostly election offices, have reported suspicious mail and some of those letters contained fentanyl. officials say more than a dozen letters have been reported, california, georgia, nevada, texas, washington state targeted. investigators are treating the letters as connected given the time. joining us is georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger. sir, we appreciate your time. you talked about this yesterday. there were a lot of details that seemed unclear. do you have more insight into the letters, who they were addressed to and what they said? >> for georgia, not yet. we have been informed by the postal officials that there is a letter in transit. so it's a three to five-day transit through the

he says directly, brad raffensperger, quote, is about to go through some things.re threats by any interpretation of those posts. >> yeah, that sounds look a threat to me. for sure. blayne, we don't have a trial date, right, for this georgia case? any update there? >> reporter: nothing has been set, but the d.a. has proposed a trial date of august 5th, 2024. that's something we're talking about late next year. trump's attorney pushed back and said he doesn't agree with that trial date and asking for a hearing. speaking last week, d.a. fani willis made it clear she expects this trial to last for months. it will not be wrapped up before the end of 2024, possibly the beginning of 2025. when you take that timeline and lay it on top of the political calendar that we're all very closely watching, that means if she gets that proposed trial date, that means we're going to see this trial stretching through the back part of election season, election day and possibly into inauguration day of 2025. >> blayne, thank you very much. glen, let's talk about the d.c. election interf

. >> reporter: georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger said election offices were targeted in his state. in addition to letters received in california, nevada, oregon, texas, and washington state. at least one of the letters tested positive for fentanyl, a sin athletic opioid drug used for pain which has often proven to be deadly. investigators are treating all of these letters as being linked. there have been at least a dozen letters, all sent out at about the same time. authorities have not yet publicly identified a suspect. what could the motive be? >> pure and simple, to intimidate election workers and to frustrate voting in those jurisdictions where the letters have been sent. also, too, to send a message to other people who are in different jurisdictions that something similar like this may happen to them. >> reporter: one letter released by the fbi reads, end elections now. fulton county, georgia, georgia, a frequent target of election deniers and conspiracy theorists has been targeted with at least one letter. >> there are some crazy people who will go to any extreme to di

officials say the letters are now being laed, but the georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger, has confirmed that a letter sent to election offices in fulton county did in fact contain fentanyl. the washington post reports that one of the pages in that letter said, quote, and a elections now. here is what raffensperger told reporters. >> some people like to call fentanyl a drug. but it's actually poison. it will kill you. this is domestic terrorism, and it needs to be condemned by anyone that holds elected office, and anyone that wants to hold elected office, anywhere in america. >> despite this, despite being the target of a dangerous and potentially violent a letter, donald trump just moments ago, publicly attacked fulton county election workers, accusing them of, quote, a lot of crime. this was just done on his own social media site. now, we should note that we do not know who sent these letters, or even why, the fbi is still investigating that. but for years now, the far-right in this country has been threatening election offices and workers. these threats got so bad that r

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17 examples of defendant floyd publicly communicating directly to georgia secretary of state brad raffenspergerthis case, and ruby freeman, a georgia election worker who is a witness in the case, as well as several public communications with codefendant jenna alice, who is pleaded guilty, and codefendant sidney powell, who is pleaded guilty. the prosecution's motion says, quote, because of an in response to the defendants intimidating communications, witness ruby freeman has been the subject of renewed threats of violence from third parties. joining us now is andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel, former chief of the criminal division of the eastern district of new york. he is the co-host of the msnbc podcast prosecuting donald trump and him and of his nbc legal analyst. also with us gwen keyes, former district attorney of dekalb county, georgia. and when, let me begin with this attempt to revoke bail here on defendant floyd. i just want to read number 10, this is item number ten, that the prosecution included in their list of things that he has posted publicly. this post says it's over.

brad raffensperger from georgia who knows what it is to be under threat again said this is domestic terrorismm threaten our elections. possible charges here? >> secretary raffensperger is right, there are domestic terrorism laws that can be brought into play, and threats through the united states mail that can be brought as well. i'm sure, because secretary raffensperger is a state official, there are state charges that can be brought as well with this kind of threats of violence, and harm to election workers. >> carol lam, thank you so much. just again, to bring people up to date on the breaking news, the fbi and the u.s. postal service, investigating a series of letters containing a white powder, at least a field test has tested positive for fentanyl. they have gone to three different states to election workers in multiple states. we'll keep you posted on that. that's going to do it this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right after the break. s" right after the bre

secretary of state brad raffensperger calling this domestic terrorism. >> it will kill you. it will kill you very quickly. >> reporter: a grim warning from federal authorities after suspicious letters, some with fentanyl, were mailed to election offices in at least five states. >> they're processing the ballots, and then, you know, next thing you know they got to worry about white powder being sent? >> reporter: a source familiar with the investigation tells cbs news more than a dozen letters were sent from the pacific northwest to offices in oregon, california, nevada, and washington state. >> we all know here that they're intentionally trying to break us, break us enough to stop elections, and that's not going to happen. >> reporter: fulton county, georgia, was also targeted, the same county where former president donald trump and 18 others were indicted in connection with an alleged racketeering case. >> you can't think of every threat so this raises to our radar, something we can plan for but another stressor for elections officials under tremendous pressure already. >>

secretary of state brad raffensperger.rtant about this is whatever action that the judge takes on this motion is a window into what we might expect this judge to do in attempts to control other defendants like donald trump. and, donald trump, i am sure, is watching very closely about what happens to this defendant. >> i think you're absolutely right. again, the prosecutor d.a. willis in this case is doing everything that she should to protect the integrity of the case, as well as the safety of her victim. this is a motion you may see in any prosecution, where you have some type of terror or intimidation. so, i'm not surprised that she filed it. we'll see what the judge can do, but i do think that the judge's decision in this case will be about the weather for the other 14 defendants. >> andrew weissmann, every single item that the district in kearney included in this large package of fences, attorney to the terms of the bond is a very clear. they are all very clear violations. now, it's a question of what is the judge goin

those violations include recent tweets tagging individuals like, georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger former fulton county elections worker, ruby freeman. joining me now is barbara mcquaid, former u.s. attorney and law professor at the university of michigan. lisa ruben, msnbc legal analyst. thank you, ladies. lisa, i want to start with you because it strikes me that in this last case, the case of this attempt to revoke the bond of this defendant who was involved in the attempt to intimidate ruby freeman in the first place, harrison floyd, interesting that he is now looking at having his bond revoked and could wind up in jail. that is not something that donald trump has faced even though he, too, has intimidated witnesses. did that come up -- did his lawyers bring that up in this case? because it's interesting that he's doing what donald trump is doing but not facing the same, you know, freedom to move. >> so, joy, this motion was filed after today's hearing. and so, i'm not aware that anybody addressed what conduct donald trump has engaged in that might, for example, violate his own

georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger who lost a child to fentanyl poisoning sounded the alarm. >> i want to really emphasize the seriousness of this. some people like to call fentanyl a drug. but it's actually poison. it will kill you. it will kill you very quickly, very easily, and it is very dangerous. we lost our son five and a half years ago due to fentanyl overdose. we know how deadly this stuff is. it is very, very serious and we take it that way. anyone who holds elected office, anyone who wants to hold elected office coming through post 2024 elections, they're running for high office in this land, they need to contend with this stuff. when someone asked, what do you think about this? if they don't condemn this, they're not worthy of the office they're running for. this is domestic terrorism and it needs to be condemned by anyone who holds elected office and anyone who wants to hold elected office anywhere in america. >> for our part, we will keep track of who heeds his call. to condemn what georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger is describing today as domestic t

in georgia, secretary of state brad raffensperger was alerted to a letter heading to fulton county. >> we don't know what's in it. we just have to assume the worst and be prepared for that. >> reporter: raffensperger concerned that envelope could also contain fentanyl. just a tiny amount, what can fit on the tip of a pen, could be fatal. they've now equipped fulton county officials with narcan. >> some people like to call fentanyl a drug, but it's actually poison. it will kill you. kill you very quickly, very easily. >> reporter: threats to election workers have become more frequent in recent years, prompting a troubling exodus from their ranks after the 2020 presidential election. tonight, david, investigators are linking the letters from washington state with the one on its way to georgia. suspicious mail turned up in nevada, and in lane county, oregon, where they had to pause ballot counting. in california, the postal service says it intercepted two suspicious envelopes before they reached election offices. david? >> david: our investigative reporter aaron katersky tonight, thank y

brad raffensperger proved that in georgia. >> trump is hiding. if they don't take trump on, there's no point. you're playing for second place. >> isn't that what is happening? on that margin, the contest not just among republicans, but republicans versus the incumbent democrat and how they would fair, nikki haley is plus 6. donald trump, plus 4. ron desantis, plus 2. >> donald trump and nikki haley in the poll have leads outside the margin of error. and ron desantis, there's no clear lead they are that race. that's within the margin of error. he and joe biden. and this is what jeff was just saying. this roberts that electability argument. simply saying donald trump can't win. now we have been seeing a bunch of polls suggesting he can. our poll is not great news for donald trump. he's remarkably unpopular. he's obviously a deeply flawed. he got a lot stronger. so definitely his legal challenges have had an issue of fortifying his base, which is a key component to winning elections. and right now, joe biden is hurting among some of the factors. so

election worker would be freeman, georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. is he taking a page out of donald trump's handbook that he knows could work and get and more intimate from donald trump? >> i think what is wild about this is you taking a page from his own playbook. this is exactly what he was indicted for, intimidating witnesses, including ruby freeman. the fact that he has now turned around and taken to social media instead of going up and having like people allegedly go to ruby freeman's door, i feel like is a shift in terms of tactics but not overall strategy. this is what he was doing in donald trump's name all along. i'm not particularly surprised is trying to porcelain, push the boundary. to your point, this is very much like trump, this is similar to what trump is doing when, during these windows when the gag orders against him are lifted, he and his allies are immediately going on to attack people who were supposed to be r protected under the gag order. so, this is all part and parcel with the overall trump worldview of someone, i have to be

georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger speaking out about the letters. >> if they don't condemnhis, they're not worthy for the office they're running for. this is domestic terrorism, and it needs to be condemned by anyone that holds elected office and anyone what wants to hold elected office. >> it was received in kings county, washington, home to seattle. that letter arriving as officials counted ballots from this week's elections. it prompted an evacuation of some 150 workers

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, they laid out a social media post where floyd calls out of the georgia secretary of state brad raffenspergerther post, it shows floyd questioning why his legal team was accused of leaking materials and referring to false claims about election worker. and that election worker is ruby freeman, who once again is caught in the middle. she and her daughter were targeted by trump with bogus fraud, fraud allegations in the past. speaking of those leaks from the fulton county judge, blocking the release of sensitive evidence after key video statements when other defendants got out. and now, the attorney for a separate defendant -- i know it's a mess -- he's owning up to it. jonathan miller, representing former coffee county elections supervisor, misty hampton saying here saying that his client believed the public has a right to see these videos. they showed proffer sessions from jenna ellis and sidney powell who were giving info on trump's attempts to overturn the election. back with me now is rebecca grant and marcus childress. i mean, first of all, the fact that they did not already have some sort

georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger told cnn that another suspicious letter was discovered to be making its way through the postal system. >> official has some capabilities i guess that they don't talk about much, but somehow they have a tracking and based on what they saw at another location they identified there was another letter that was obviously postmarked for georgia. >> let's bring in josh campbell. what is the latest in this investigation? >> reporter: this hour, authorities have not yet publicly identified a suspect. we know this large law enforcement is under way after these letters were received in several states including here in california, georgia, nevada, oregon, texas, and washington state. most of them appearing to target election officials. as you mentioned, at least one according to state officials testing positive for fentanyl. we did get a statement from the federal bureau of investigation. i'll read part of that. they say the fbi along with our law enforcement partners responded to multiple incidents involving suspicious letters sent to ballot-countin

press conference a short time ago, talking about this kittactivity here, the secretary of state brad raffensperger called on election officials to denounce this activity as well as political candidates, and went a step further, invoking the death of his late son. raffensperger said this is a dangerous substance that could be deadly. >> some people like to call fentanyl a drug, but it's actually poison. it's very dangerous. we lost our son f5 1/2 years ag due to fentanyl overdose. we know how deadly this stuff is. >> reporter: the reports of these suspicious letters come amid a backdrop of threats towards election officials across the country, not least of which here in fulton county. and the fulton county commissioner rob pitts says he thinks that this is, in his political upon, a foreshadowing to what fulton county will see in 2024. boris? >> nick valencia, thank you so much for that report. brianna? >>> the new york attorney general's office has rested its case in the civil fraud trial of donald trump and his sons, his adult sons. witness testimony included contentious moments between donald tru

willis, secretary of state brad raffensperger, his former codefendant, jenna ellis, and ruby freeman.g something really interesting play out right now. for the first time in this entire case in fulton county, we are seeing d.a. willis ask the questions herself. as for the defendant, floyd posted about ruby freeman at least nine times in a single day and last year, she talked generally about how unfounded accusations that she committed election fraud offended her life. >> i won't even introduce myself by my name anymore. i get nervous when i bump into someone i know in the grocery store who says my name. i'm worried about who's listening. i get nervous when i have to give my name for food orders. i'm always concerned of who's around me. i've lost my name and i've lost my reputation. i've lost my sense of security. all because a group of people starting with number 45 and his ally, rudy giuliani, decided to scapegoat me and my daughter, shay. >> following by floyd's attorneys denied he harassed, communicated or was involved with anyone in the case. insisting he was just exercising his r

brad raffensperger says a letter that contains fentanyl has been sent to an elections office in fultony, georgia. rafns aspergillusser calls it an act of election terrorism. it comes after four offices were evacuated this week when workers received letters that police confirmed contained fentanyl as well up next the panel has reaction to my interview with the israeli prime minister. plus the surprise move by senator joe manchin. what some of our fox affiliates are covering tonight. fox 26 in houston. officials in rural texas have begun to release details about what led to that fiery explosion at a chemical plant. a shelter in place order has been lifted. the president of the facility says the blast was triggered by what he called a forklift incident. county officials there say it appears an employee noticed a container leaking chemicals, tried to use a forklift to lift a container when it exploded. forks 2 in detroit. with the arrest of a suspect in the stabbing death of jewish leader. the post did not name the suspect or the charges. found unresponsive outside her home october 21st. a

context of this case and the charges against him directly attacking this witness, tweeting at brad raffensperger view this as conduct that does not violate his pretrial release order. >> his response to it, in addition to that, is one part comical and seemingly not helpful. if i was his attorney, and i'm not an attorney, i don't know that i would be happy about it. here's what he tweeted in response to the motion to revoke his bond. clarence thomas was right. this is a circus. it is a national disgrace. it is a high-tech lynching for an uppity black. and he included video of clarence thomas in 1991 senate judiciary committee. doesn't surprise me he identifies with clarence thomas, but wow, if you're the judge reading that, does that encourage you to maybe sanction him more than you might? when people are faced with potentially having their bond revoked, don't they normally back down? >> so look, if i was a defense lawyer, which i'm not, i'm a former prosecutor, but if i was playing for the other team, something i would tell my clients is, when your bond is about to be revoked because you have be

georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger said fulton county was among the offices targeted. listen. >> this is domestic terrorism and need to be condemn bid anyone that holds elected office and wants to hold elected office. >> nick valencia has that report. this is terrifying. fentanyl can kill you just on contact. what more are you learning? >> it is terrifying, and more than a dozen letters were sent at the same time, that will be a clue investigators will use to track down whoever is responsible for this. the department of justice is investigating as is the u.s. postal service, and one of the election offices targeted in fulton county. fulton county has been in the news a lot lately. familiar to our viewers because it has drawn the ire of the former president. it has been a target, if you will, for far right conspiracy theorists, election deniers and it was yesterday during a press conference that the secretary of state called on election officials and political candidates to denounce this activity. he went a step further and made this personal. five and a half years ago,

for instance, brad raffensperger, secretary of state was tagged, he will be a witness against these defendants goes beyond that and engages in conduct that can legitimately be called threatening, especially towards witnesses, this judge won't hesitate to act. >> it's part of what we saw with the d.c. federal gag order which is this question of whether or not a person who has a public platfprm that is forward facing is in a different position to be intimidated then perhaps someone who does not have that same level of public facing and support. joyce vance, as always, thank you for spending sunday with us. >>> next, president biden's role in the release of got hostages held in gaza (inaudible) here with us. we go to vermont where police are searching for the gunman who shot three palestinian students. stay with us. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. i was a bit nervous at first but then i figured it's just walking, right? [dog barks] oh. no it's just a bunny! calm down taco. sit duchess. stop! sesame no no. a

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for instance, brad raffensperger, secretary of state was tagged, he will be a witness against these defendants. if trump goes beyond that and engages in conduct that can legitimately be called threatening, especially towards witnesses, this judge won't hesitate to act. >> it's part of what we saw with the d.c. federal gag order which is this question of whether or not a person who has a public we -- forward facing is in a different position to be intimidated then perhaps someone who does not have that same level of public facing and support. joyce vance, as always, thank you for spending sunday with us. >>> next, president biden's role in the release of got hostages held in gaza [inaudible] here with us. we go to vermont where police are searching for the gunman who shot three palestinian students. stay with us. d sensodyne. sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the tooth and calms the nerve down. and my patients say you know doc, it really works. my skin has been so much smoother so much more hydrated. it's olay! with olay hyaluronic body wash 95% of women had visibly-better skin. and my skin is s

the work done by brian kemp and brad raffensperger to undermine access to the election for average georgians and it is a terrible, terrible stain on our democracy. you don't get to claim that you are a defender of democracy when you're still engaged in behavior that undermines it. i can very easily separate yes, thank you brian kemp from not supporting a terrible auction, but that does not exempt you from the bad actions you've already committed. >> more of my conversation with cc abrams is coming up after this break. you'll hear her thoughts on the race for president, as we mark one year to election day. stay with us. one year to election day stay with us stay with us right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. - [female narrator] five billion people lack access to safe surgery. thousands of children are suffering and dying from treatable causes. for 40 years, mercy ships has deployed floating hospitals to provide the free surgeries these children need. joi

georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger speaking out about the letters. >> if they don't condemn this, they're not worthy for the office they're running for. this is domestic terrorism, and it needs to be condemned by anyone that holds elected office and anyone what wants to hold elected office. >> it was received in kings county, washington, home to seattle. that letter arriving as officials counted ballots from this week's elections. it prompted an evacuation of some 150 workers. thank you so much for joining us tonight. "ac 360" starts right now. >>> good evening. first it was the i.t. guy. now members of the mar-a-lago household staff might also end up testifying against the boss. that's what multiple people familiar with special counsel jack smith's classified documents investigation are telling us, and it's a cnn exclusive. they say federal prosecutors may call as witnesses a plumber, a maid who cleaned the former president's bedroom, a chauffeur, and a woodworker. people who might not get a lot of attention on a trump property, but who see and hear a lot on the job. people

the work done by brian kemp and brad raffensperger to undermine access to the elections for average georgiansis a terrible, terrible stain on our democracy. you don't get to claim that you are a defender of democracy when you're still engaged in behavior that undermines it. i can very easily separate yes, thank you brian kemp for not suborning a terrible auction, but that does not exempt you from the bad actions you've already committed. >> more of my conversation with stacey abrams is coming up after this break. you'll hear her thoughts on the race for president, as we mark one year to election day. stay with us. like here. and here. not so much here. farxiga reduces the risk of kidney failure which can lead to dialysis. ♪far-xi-ga♪ farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ket

s office mentioning the secretary of state, brad raffensperger, things that the d.a.'nt to witness intimidation. speakingutn a number of ways that are not allowed under the terms of his bond agreement. it's also certainly the d.a. sending a larger message to the other 14 remaining co-defendants that if they do violate the terms of this agreement that she won't hesitate to take some sort of action, ana. >> joyce, prosecutors say floyd's actions amounted to intentional and flagrant violations. what should happen here? >> so it's a really interesting question because this conduct obviously mirrors what we've seen from donald trump. the difference is that this defendant is not running for the white house, so his first amendment rights to political speech are a little bit different. i think it's uncomfortable for us to acknowledge that donald trump gets some special treatment in this area, but he does. nonetheless, prosecutors are likely taking the judge's temperature on just how much he'll tolerate from these defendants. this particular defendant was involved originally id

. >> or, to take another example, when he not so subtly threatened brad raffensperger. going to be a lawyer saying, oh yeah, it's fine to threaten somebody with criminal prosecution when there is no basis for it. they're saying there's not gonna be a lawyer who says fake electors? if they're fake electors, that is illegal. i think it's good to be very tricky thing for him to get valid advice of counsel. >> orange overtime, but quickly, as a possible the judge will allow a limited-limited defense based on advice of counsel, you can use it for this element of the case, you cannot use it for this? >> absolutely. you can have the lawyer, there could be enough to say, you know what, when it comes to the mike pence and what his power is, you have a lawyer who's going to testify. i will allow that. but there are other aspects that are charged, there's no lawyer who you can point to. so i'm going to preclude it. >> andrew, you cover this very quickly for a law professor. so we thank you for that. andrew weissmann, thank you, as always, for joining us. and coming up, the big win

as you mentioned, secretary of states including brad raffensperger of georgia have come out forcefullymestic terrorism, that it can't be tolerated. in a number of incidents, white powder included in these envelopes has tested positive for fentanyl, which is obviously a really toxic substance, but there have been no reports of anyone hurt or injured or suffering ill health effects from contact with the letters. nonetheless, it's a really alarming development for a group of election workers who are already under a heightened state of threat amid bogus claims of fraud and a lot of angst in the land about elections, ana. >> and frank, fulton county, georgia, where of course there's the election interference probe and the trial set to be, this was one of the targets reportedly, georgia's secretary of state raffensperger said this yesterday. >> i just want to really emphasize the seriousness of this. you know, some people like to call fentanyl a drug. but it's actually poison. it will kill you. it will kill you very quickly, very easily, and it's very dangerous. this is domestic terrorism, a

brad raffensperger in what the district attorney has laid out in this courtroom is that harrison floydd over the last few weeks different messages in which he tagged the likes of gabe sterling and the chief investigator from the d.a.'s office is testifying he talked with sterling who said yes, i saw that and took it as a threat. he also tagged jenna ellis after she entered a plea agreement and those videos came out and ellis in a message this morning said she took it as intimidation and a threat. it was more than just those messages that willis says amounts to intimidation. it's also the responses on x from individuals that should be included. take a listen. >> comes from underneath this post and the comment comes from at full ford leonard. and the statement is bury this b-i-t-c-h under the jail. >> we don't know who that was in reference to. fani willis or ruby freeman, the worker who is at the heart of why he is included because it was him who applied pressure on freeman to make false allegations. there's a lot on the line here for this hearing for harrison floyd. >> i think he poste

hayes, floyd has attacked witnesses in this case, like janet ellis, georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, is he taking a page out of donald trump's book here? that he knows could, work and get him even more endearment from donald trump? >> i think what's wild about this is he taking a page from his own playbook. this is exactly what he was indicted for, intimidating witnesses, including ruby friedman. the fact that he is now turned around, and taking the social media -- going up and having people allegedly go to rudy, ruby friedman store, i think it is a shift in terms of tactics, but not overall strategy. like this is what he was doing in donald trump's name all along. so i am not particularly surprised that he is trying to push the line, push the boundaries. to your point, yes, this is very trumpian. this is very much similar to what trump is doing when it during these windows, when the gag orders against him are lifted, he and his allies are going on to attack the people who were supposed to be protected under the gag order. so this is all part in parcel with the overall trumpian worl

georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger is calling this an act of domestic terrorism. 2 florida deputies in the hospital now serious injuries after a suspect allegedly intentionally hit them with his car. the terrifying moments caught for multiple different cameras. 28 year-old ralph drove straight at those deputies. this was early yesterday morning. authorities say that his mother called 9-1-1 saying that her son was having a mental breakdown and acting violently. he drove off when the deputies arrived and then came back moments later and then ran into that. we've paused the video here. the suspect does have a long criminal history and has now been charged with 2 counts of attempted murder of a police officer. changing it up a little bit here. so we can talk about the weather forecast. hey, in the sun now. little bit brighter there, right on city of san francisco. it's a really nice day out there today. college here. she's going to talk about the rain for next week. yes, and the snow. >> and we're going to talk about the cr snow because that's pulling back. the rain still happe

and here's georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger on a similar letter sent to a local electionsome people like to call fentanyl a drug, but it's actually poison. it will kill you. this is domestic terrorism, and it needs to be condemned by anyone that holds elected office and anyone that wants to hold elected office anywhere in america. >> joining me now, nbc's ken dilanian reporting from washington, rob d'amico is a former fbi supervisor and founder of sierra 1 consulting. ken, what more are we learning about this investigation today? >> chris, the fbi and the u.s. postal inspection service have launched a massive information into this matter. they're not saying much about what they're doing, law enforcement officials tell me the working hypothesis is that these incidents are linked and they are pouring over these envelopes for forensic clues, dna fingerprints, handwriting analysis, the postal inspection service has very sophisticated methods for tracking exactly where and when mail was sent. they're going to be looking at video surveillance. they haven't mentioned anything ab

they lay out a social media post where floyd calls out the georgia secretary of state brad rachb raffensperger. that election worker, ruby freeman, who once again, is caught in the middle. she and her daughter were targeted by trump with bonus fraud allegations in the past. a fulton county judge locking down key witness. now, the attorney for a separate defendant, i know, is owning up to it. jonathan miller, representing misty hampson, says his client believes the public has a right to see the videos. it shows ellis and powell. first of all, the fact they didn't have a protective order is surprising. this is almost inevitable, one would think. why not have it in the first place? >> it's someone to have a criminal order. when you know the defendants that you're dealing with in this matter. it was appalling i would send an e-mail to witnesses in the january 6th investigation. and within minutes, my e-mails were leaked. this is not as sensitive. i'm happy there's a protective order in place. we have to think about protecting the witnesses and ensuring the safety of the investigation and integrity

staff, mark meadows, with him on january 6th on that call with the georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger to investigate voter fraud conspiracy theories like italygate. meadows even went down to georgia in december of 2020 to observe an audit of absentee ballots. meadows along with hisormer boss was one of the 19 individuals indicted in fulton county d.a. fani willis' case and new reporting in "the guardian" finds that two people familiar with the matter, prosecutors do not intend to offer plea deals to tmp and at least twoer high-level co-defendants. the two they point to, meadows and trump's former lawyer rudy giuliani. frt reporting, quote, the eviously unreported decision has not been communicated formally and could still change, for instance, if prosecutors shift strategy. but it signals who prosecutors consider their main targets and how they want to wield the power of georgia's racketeering statute to their advantage, end out of the 19 indicted four have pleaded guilty. sidney powell, jenna lis, kennetheseo and scott hall. asthe guardian" notes, it undes - the plea deals underscore

joining us now, georgia republican secretary of state, brad raffensperger. new survey that shows widespread distrust in american elections. half of those polled had faith in their own state but they were far more skeptical about other states. 30% trust the accuracy and integrity of elections in other parts of the country from where they live. what do you make of that? is that a concern moving forward? >> i wrote a recent article with lieutenant governor a deed had arson from utah, and the secretary of state who is actually -- present at the national -- secretary of state of kansas. people can trust the elections. we've now had the 2020 2022 elections, and by and large other than the 2020, grace, nobody was questioning the results of 2022 or this past year. we actually had it a couple of days ago. in fact, my friend, michael adams, secretary of state of kentucky one huge. he did his job and continue to find that middle ground of common sense and just do the job and explain to people that we're having fair, honest elections. that is what people need to underst

who is going to say i advised donald trump that it's okay to lie, to use deceit, to threaten brad raffenspergerthis scheme, it's hard to imagine that a lawyer with full knowledge of the facts said yes, i think that is legal. but i think that the kicker here as to why i'm not particularly worried this is going to come up at trial is the idea that donald trump would have to testify to his good faith reliance seems like something that he is not going to want to do. it is not a great strategy for him to take the stand in a criminal case. it would i think be a real boon to the government for the reasons we have discussed many times over. >> in the vein of how bad is it, it's so bad, bill barr thinks it's a stupid idea, let me show you this, claire. >> is it a credible defense to say he was just listening to john eastman? >> i don't think that -- that dog is going to hunt, as you say. first, as to people who had some knowledge of whether or not there was fraud, everyone was telling him the election was not stolen by fraud. he wouldn't listen to all the lawyers in the department who in various departm

people were stuffing ballots into ballot boxes in the republican georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, a republican, examined one of the instances and found no wrongdoing. they investigated i think five ballots that were turned in and they were all for a guy and his family. dinesh desousa is currently being sued for defamation right now from one of the gentlemen, i don't recall his name. secondly, your house of cards is falling. three lawyers just admitted to lying about fraud, three trump lawyers. ruby freeman won a defamation lawsuit. your whole lie about this election fraud, the house of cards is falling. host: let's get a response. guest: ok, yeah. the one case he mentions i unfortunately can't talk about because it is a litigation. but in the movie we have surveillance video from battleground states, and what you see is this is a typical scene and we show lots of this in the movie, a couple at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning, a guy jumps up, looks around suspiciously to make sure no one is following him as a backpack chock-full of ballots. he then goes to a dropbox, rips open the bac

joining us now is georgia's republican secretary of state brad raffensperger, first of all, there's an their own state. but there were far more skeptical of other states. what do you make of that and is that a concern moving forward? >> the reasons, i wrote a recent conversation with the lieutenant governor from utah and scott schwab secretary of state, of kansas, people can trust the elections. we have had the 2021, '22 and '23 election. other than 2020, no one was questioning the results this past election. secretary of state in kentucky won a huge race, he did his job and continued to just, you know, find that middle ground of commonsense and just do the job and explain to people we're having fair, honest elections. that's what people need to understand. we have fair, accurate elections in georgia. i guess people don't want accurate elections sometimes. the problem they may have, they put up candidates that don't build broad-base coalitions. michael adams built a broad-based coalition. kentucky kept a republican in the attorney general spot, that gentleman won because i think he ju

people were stuffing ballots into ballot boxes in the republican georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, a republican, examined one of the instances and found no wrongdoing. they investigated i think five ballots that were turned in and they were all for a guy and his family. dinesh desousa is currently being sued for defamation right now from one of the gentlemen, i don't recall his name. secondly, your house of cards is falling. three lawyers just admitted to lying about fraud, three trump lawyers. ruby freeman won a defamation lawsuit. your whole lie about this election fraud, the house of cards is falling. host: let's get a response. guest: ok, yeah. the one case he mentions i unfortunately can't talk about because it is a litigation. but in the movie we have surveillance video from battleground states, and what you see is this is a typical scene and we show lots of this in the movie, a couple at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning, a guy jumps up, looks around suspiciously to make sure no one is following him as a backpack chock-full of ballots. he then goes to a dropbox, rips open the bac