>> brad russi deputy city attorney. the question of housing services is one that is within the jurisdiction of the rent board generally. not saying it isn't something you can consider in connection with theo valuation whether the permit is is a good permit or bad permit. you can consider the effect the permit has on the tenants, so whether the landlord is severing housing services is a question for the rent board. >> there is one case that was here before commissioner lopez appeared and was here during our tenure commissioner lazarus and my tenure i believe on presidio on sutter street and i can't remember how it all turned out, but i remember that there was a discussion that-i will be arbitrary, that a laundry room was done away with and that was a tenant service and that was-that had implication for our discussion on a permit because it was cut and dry. if there was a laundry room there before there has to be a laundry there after. where is that-give us guidance as we hear from planning and then dbi so we can get a-we

>> deputy city attorney brad russi. it sound like the zoning admint strairt wasn't presented with the entire property what they want to use the property for but answered the question based oen whautis given so the board could deny the appeal the zoning (inaudible) as articulated in the letter. you could also instead continue and let them withdraw the appeal if they like. might want to hear from the appellate themselves as to what they prefer but it sounds like-i don't see a reason why they couldn't bring another letter of determination request with the proposed use of the property. >> is i want to make sure that wasn't precluded when you have a permit denied you cant ask for another permit for a year. >> cant ask for the same permit within a year but here- >> different set of- >> different set of facts. >> if we wnt in that direction deny the appeal and the letter of determination properly issued and they wanted to file another letter of determination with a different spin, is there a prescribed buffer zone or a time du

>> brad russi deputy city attorney. the question of housing services is one that is within the jurisdiction of the rent board generally. not saying it isn't something you can consider in connection with theo valuation whether the permit is is a good permit or bad permit. you can consider the effect the permit has on the tenants, so whether the landlord is severing housing services is a question for the rent board. >> there is one case that was here before commissioner lopez appeared and was here during our tenure commissioner lazarus and my tenure i believe on presidio on sutter street and i can't remember how it all turned out, but i remember that there was a discussion that-i will be arbitrary, that a laundry room was done away with and that was a tenant service and that was-that had implication for our discussion on a permit because it was cut and dry. if there was a laundry room there before there has to be a laundry there after. where is that-give us guidance as we hear from planning and then dbi so we can get a-we