with brad senko gone, the secret formula for the cheddar was gone, too. 's why greg went to seattle to speak with brad. >> i didn't even ask him if he was interested because i knew the answer would be no. greg, if i wasn't interested in coming to work with you i wouldn't have had lunch with you. it took me by surprise. i wasn't anticipating that. >> people were surprised. i was doing pretty well where i was. why wouldn't i entertain something like this? again, i enjoy doing start ups. they're real fun. >> when we heard that he had accepted greg's offer and was kimming back, that hit the papers. cheese making is coming back, brad is coming back. it was a big deal. >> the city understood the project. at daniel's request the council came through with tax breaks and expedited permits. but the banks, they were not convinced. >> they said, no, not this project, not now. we're not interested. >> so, greg looked elsewhere. >> i knew that there was more than one way to do it so i found some other creative investors. i cobbled together seven loans to get that 2-ish