air force base in texas with a program called "real talk," hosted by lieutenant general brad webb. >mentally had a wake-up call. >> martin: in which black airmen like chief master sergeant michael holland got a chance to speak truth to air force power. >> michael holland: this is brave for us to address these things. >> martin: you said to general webb, "this is brave." what did you mean? >> holland: it takes courage to talk about racism, you know, in america period, but really in the air force where it's-- white male dominated. there's these unwritten rules. >> martin: he told webb black airmen have to abide by unwritten rules which don't apply to their white counterparts. what are some of the unwritten rules? >> holland: like, change your posture when you walk into the room. >> martin: change your posture? >> holland: yeah, so, i'm 5'11, right, 220 pounds. a black big guy is scary and threatening. so you strip those things away from you to make people feel comfortable with you. >> martin: what are some of the other things you have to strip? >> holland: voice, right. voice, you don'

brad webb, the commander of the air force education and training command made it very explicit.owledged that the air force was recruiting candidates with a private pilot's license. that might seem like a wise course flying planes is what the air force does to general brad webb no that's systemic racism. >> one of the other areas in line with w. that has been aptitude tests and, in fact, the chief mentioned that one as well in his talk the other day. but we are deep under way in updating pilot odessas and also officer qualification tests that that is rude, you know, you get -- you get a weighted scorei if you have a private pilot's license. that's a socioeconomic a influencer. in other words, if you are rich enough to have private pilotot time, you can get a license. that ought not be, you know, weighted. >> right. >> in such a way that you exclude, you know, various ethnic groups. >> tucker: so the real question is how does a doughy moron like that end up with an important job in the military? this isn't the department of transportation. it's not the dmv. this is a serious thing