brad woodhouse, you said earlier it's the debt ceiling.4.5 trillion in cuts and talk about raising revenues or holding line on taxes. they will not vote to raise the debt ceiling, and they've taken an oath and that's where they stand. that is the floi in the ointment, is it not? >> it could be, ed. if they do, republicans will own it. republicans will own the first default in american history. they'll own the economic calamity that comes from that. let's remember here -- >> not if the president goes every night on tv and takes it to the nation it's the tea party's fault. this is the time to nip this in the bud. this is the time for the president to get strong and say ints congress. it's certainly people in congress who want to destroy this economy. >> i think he's talking about that. he's talking about the -- >> the other thing he has to say is this is all politics. we've raised the debt ceiling 39 times since 1980. >> they had the votes back then. they don't have the votes now. this is a totally different republican crowd right now. they'