stay with us. >> rose: bradley graham is here. he was a reporter and editor at the "washington post" for more than 5 yearss. he covered the military and foreign affairs. he recently published a biography of former defense secretary donald rumsfeld, it's called "by his own rules: the ambitions, successes and ultimate failures of donald rumsfeld." the book is based on hundreds of interviews including eight with rumsfeld. i'm pleased to have bradley graham at this table again. thank you. >> nice to be here. >> rose: why rumsfeld? >> for several reasons. no matter how you feel about rumsfeld, you can't deny that he has been the most consequential as well as controversial secretary of defense that we've had since mcnamara. the rumsfeld story is just a wonderful washington story. it's a... the way i tell it is, it's framed as a kind of tragedy. here's somebody who had a whole career both in government and business of great success. he was picked to be secretary of defense for the second time in his life, the only one who had a second sh