elizabeth: sure, up next the national taxpayers union president brandon arnold.or joe manchin, looks like he blew up the democrat battle plan. we'll explain that. also democrats getting brutally mocked on twitter for their new mind bending rhetoric trying to convince america that infrastructure includes things like paid family leave. you won't believe what they're saying on twitter. pretty funny stuff. stay right there. (vo) ideas exist inside you, electrify you. they grow from our imagination, but they can't be held back. they want to be set free. to make the world more responsible, and even more incredible. ideas start the future, just like that. ♪. elizabeth: let's welcome to the show national taxpayers union executive vice president brandon arnold. hey, brandon, what do you think, do you think senator joe manchin, democrat, he just, looks like he just blew up the democrats' battle plan for biden's entire tax-and-spend agenda, saying no we'll not get rid of the filibuster, no, we'll not just pass bills with democrat party line votes without republicans? did he

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we have brandon arnold with us, national taxpayers union executive vice president. brandon, end with you, begin with you, own some of the cost associated with this for all the record tax increases it really doesn't foot the entire bill even on this package, let alone the two others. so you have got about $6 trillion worth of spending which less than a third is actually paid. what do you make of that? >> yeah. we're looking at an enormous debt problem already been a major issue for this country. we had to spend over $5 trillion on the covid pandemic. now we're looking at deepening that enormous problem with additional spending that, by the way is accompanied by tax increases that will further slow the economic growth, further slow the recovery we absolutely need right now. so this is a devastating combination of higher spending, higher taxes our country simply cannot afford right now. this is the worst time to be raising taxes by trillions and trillions of dollars, exacerbating our debt problem. neil: you know when i look at some of the plans spending initiatives, sco

here now is brandon arnold, fox news contributor kristin soltis anderson. good to see you both. ezos up to? >> well, bezos is trying to cut a deal here. for amazon, they have been able to reduce their taxable income by taking advantage of certain components of the tax code, for instance, those that allow r&d expenses to be written off, capital expenditures to be written off. so for them, the corporate tax rate is important but not nearly as important as preserving other components in the tax code. i think that's why you're seeing bezos with the statement that he issued yesterday so he can focus more on r&d expensing, capital expensing and items like that that are problematic in the biden tax plan rather than -- david: so this gives bezos a little political capital or arguing capital in order to come back and save some of the deductions that led to, i think amazon paid about 4.3% in taxes, corporate taxes over the past couple of years. but with those deductions in there, he might still do pretty well, kristin. >> that's right. and, frankly, when we talk about things like raising t