our first guest today, from pennsylvania, admiral joe sestak, and brandon webb, the author of "the red circle, how i trained the world's deadliest marksman." brandon, i'll begin with you on the set. an apparatus is only as good as the metrics and the mission. fair? >> yes. >> how clear are the metrics in our current occupation? >> when you look at what's happening over there, i think it's a step in the right direction, but like we were talking previously, you have a situation where there still is no clear -- clearly defined ultimate objection in afghanistan. what are the milestones? how does it shape up? when you're in a situation where you have this ambiguity out there, the american people don't understand what the objective is, what's our return on investment, what's our very clearcut plan. you get a different answer of everyone you ask, whether they're in the service or a politician or walking on the street, they'll tell a different answer. that's an issue. >> ultimately, mission clarity and metrics congressmen are to be defined by the policymakers themselves that we train, people l

seal target jeron no and the element commander of seal team 6 is here and the head instructor, brandon webbanks for being with us. i want to throw this question at all you of you. this is important. so many navy seals, former chairman of the joint chiefs, others, are furious over the fact that this has been politicized. are all of you angry? >> you know, sean, last time i was on your show, you were upset with me because i gave the president the compliment of doing the right thing, not telling pakistan we were coming, burial at sea-- >>> we disagreed on the burial. i wanted to see the body. >> right. this time, my take is this -- if he wants to wrap himself himself up in a warm, sealed blanket and pike spike the football, then he's got to live by the same standards and take care of his guys. i want to give you three name, officers mccabe, keith and huertez. they were condemned and prosecuted by this administration by giving a terrorist a bloody lip. they were court-martialled. >> brought to trial and court-martialled. >> while he's wrapping himself up -- me, me, me-- >>> isn't that my point

seal target jeron no and the element commander of seal team 6 is here and the head instructor, brandon webbthanks for being with us. i want to throw this question at all you of you. this is important. so many navy seals, former chairman of the joint chiefs, others, are furious over the fact that this has been politicized. are all of you angry? >> you know, sean, last time i was on your show, you were upset with me because i gave the esident the compliment of doing the right thing, not telling pakistan we were coming, burial at sea-- >>> we disagreed on the burial. i wanted to see the body. >> right. this time, my take is this -- if he wants to wrap himself himself up in a warm, sealed blanket and pike spike the football, then he's got to live by the same standards and take care of his guys. i want to give you three name, officers mccabe, keith and huertez. they were condemned and prosecuted by this administration by giving a terrorist a bloody lip. they were court-martialled. >> brought to trial and court-martialled. >> while he's wrapping himself up -- me, me, me-- >>> isn't that my point