suddenly say, "hmm, i want to become a pilot," and you become a pilot, and you fly 727s for braniff airlines. >> that's right. 1980-1981. >> hinojosa: so for you, this whole notion of hearing over and over again, "you can't do it; you're a young black man from a poor neighborhood in pittsburgh-- don't even dream. >> exactly. life is about exposure. if you're exposed to opportunities, you can begin to conceive of them. but if you never know what the world looks like in terms of possibilities, you can't imagine it. so by getting on the airplane-- physically going from pittsburgh to boston-- somewhere over whitestone bridge in new york at 31,000 feet, i said, "this is cool; i'm going to do this." i asked the pilot how you become a pilot, he says, "go to the county airport and go up in a plane, see if you like it," which i did. bought a plane, flew the plane for seven years, went off to 727 school, got rated on jets and got on with braniff airlines, and it was a great ride. >> hinojosa: so as a visionary, how do you know when you've reached the dream? i mean, you have done so much, bill strickla