. >> with me now is katie phang, msnbc legal contributor and brant williams. katie, there was a break in the case before the prosecutor was allowed to ask that question about the use of force and when use of force should have ended. the defense objected to that. can you explain why the defense might object to something that seems like an elemental question. >> it's kind of a two-fold answer for you. one, it was whether or not it was within the ability of this witness to be able to testify and whether or not it was something that this particular officer would be able to speak to, number one. and then number two, any chance the defense is going to get to be able to slow down this freight train of emotion coupled with the idea that there was a failure to adhere to policies and procedures, the defense is going to seize upon that. the ability for this particular witness to not be able to tell the jury, especially being his former shift supervisor, that it was unacceptable, it was incorrect for chauvin to continue to restrain george floyd when he had stopped, quote

brant williams is a reporter from minnesota public radio checking in with us.e to see you again. thank you for joining us tonight. >> good to be here. >> it feels like this is a big pivot in the case for the prosecution, that we have heard earlier in the case about mr. floyd as a human being. we heard about the witnesses and the other people that saw what happened in terms of the confrontation. now we are in to the medical facts of the end of his life. it feels sort of like the third act of this presentation. does that seem right? >> yeah. it seems to be that the prosecution is starting to wind down their case. you mentioned they went through and hitting all of the points they started off by mapping out during their opening statements which seemed like you said ten days ago. it feels like 100 days ago. they have been hitting those points. and today was, as you mentioned, one of the big moments where the medical examiner who you was the only doctor to examine george floyd when he died and had not seen the video before he came to his conclusions, which is importa

also joining us is minnesota public radio reporter brant williams and also joyce vance. t, it's good to have you. you were there for jury selection. obviously the defense only needs one single juror to decide they see there is reasonable doubt that george floyd killed -- or derek chauvin killed george floyd. do you have a sense of who the prosecution or whether the prosecution might be targeting one juror in particular? >> no sense of that, but i was in the courtroom yesterday when the jurors were subjected to some mundane evidence. their attention started to wane a little bit, and i think that's something they will have to -- >> brant, as you can hear, we've just gone back into the trial, and the testimony will resume with dr. tobin. i believe he is being cross-examined now by the defense. >> i want to review a few things with you, sir. i don't think we'll take too long. you were ultimately approached by the state of minnesota to assist in the review of the medical issues in this case, correct? >> correct. >> and you have volunteered to do this work at no cost, correct?