they were led by dawn braswell, known around here as "heavy d." >> you mostly have ten fours in here, somebody that you can -- ten fours is like another inmate. like i say, chelsea, inmate, like i say, me and my girlfriend, man, while i go in here. she's going to follow. it's easy to get them to ten four for me. you can give them two or three cigarettes. coffee. some know what you are doing, and they don't care. that's why i tell you you got some police down with inmates and some police that's against inmates. >> while some inmates sneak away for quick sex, others like kathy phillips and devon gann seek long-term relationships. >> we have a good relationship. we've been together about two years. and for a relationship in here, it's good. >> when we met them, kathy was 42 years old and serving 14 to 17 years as a habitual felon with multiple counts of forgery, larceny and resisting officers. devon was 25 years old and serving 9 to 12 years for second degree murder. >> it was a man i lived with. he was a drug dealer. it was a robbery gone bad. and he got kill. and i left the crime scene

applause ] maybe you're asking, why did i pardon convicted felons carlos vignali and almon glenn braswell

i don't think we should be imposing it anywhere braswell. >> you like that?> it is fantastic. >> one of the things that a lot of us outside of the whole political by that we continue to have on the role of government, the iraq war and social issues, one of the things, troubled by the sense of breakdown of just overall social cohesion in the country, too much time staring at the phones talking to your neighbors or whether it is just the sense in the schools that citizenship is not being taught. sometimes it is more than just voting or basics but it is also about engaging with the broad community in a way that says i care about my community. i care enough to want to know my neighbors. and one of the powerful things that i would love to hear, what got you inspired to talk about citizenship with where you grew up? >> as i was writing and researching and thinking about this i havei have never thought of my parents as inherently political politically involved. they were not partisan. we partisan. we did not talk about the political party. in college is the 1st time