when bennett got to breitbart news, he hired a notorious internet troll to be breitbart's tech editord to essentially entice these legions of angry online gamers into the world of populist right-wing politics and eventually bannon was able to turn them onto trucks. amy: so you now have bannon and the white house. his main issues, as he talked about atcpac, is dismantling the administrative state. how powerful is he right now? is the succeeding? >> he is to an extent. signal operating on two levels. if you are traditional movement republican, you don't like gogovernment, you want governmet to shrink, you hear what bannon says as "we're going to shrink government," but on another level, and this gets back to the traditionalists, rain and is using coded. wasof renee's believes their work two little moments in world history that brought us away from god and the transcendent. one was the destruction of the order of knights templar and 1312, which cut off western connection does it took knowledge. the other was a piece of does it give rise to the modern nationstate. tot is what bannon once

(audience laughs) - andrew died. - before andrew breitbart, before andrew breitbart died. i'm sorry, governor perry is happily alive and well. wearing very cool glasses as we speak. no, but andrew breitbart was a good guy, he was certainly a bomb-thrower but since andrew breitbart died, breitbart.com was taken over by steve bannon and that's wheit became populist, nationalist, angry, it would go after people like marco rubio and paul ryan, they did something, people forget about this but they did something that was really sort of horrific to marco rubio. during the immigration reform bill that rubio was championing, there was a provision in there that, was championing, there was a provision in there that, well i'll put it to you this way. breitbart put out a story saying that, they called them marco phones and the story was that marco rubio wanted to give illegal immigrants free cell phones. and you know the old line, a lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets its pants on, it took people awhile to figure out what are they talking about? there was a provision

he ended up taking over breitbart news when breitbart died. >> his world view became this sort of america first, anti-global, anti kind of -- is it fair to say anti-other? >> absolutely fair to say of the bannon had always had these nationalist, populist politics and a real anger, i think, at liberal secular culture. what breitbart did was try to start a small publication that would fight back against the media. bannon took that over and really used it as a vehicle to push his ideas into national politics and elevate politicians like donald trump who he thought could carry that message for him. >> let's talk about that, because you also say bannon had been looking for basically a ve vessel and he had worked with sarah palin, sarah bachmann, jeff sessions, but not until he found donald trump was it sort of a match made in bannon heaven. what was it about donald trump that allowed this symmetry to

here is breitbart. sessions represents one of the vital pillars of trump's immigration agenda. there's this group fair. a conservative immigration association saying today, sessions deserves your support not criticism. then there's rush limbaugh. >> i frankly think that sessions is the kind of man trump needs in his administration. it's also kind of, a little bit discomfortable for trump to go after a loyal supporter this way. >> with me is conservative commentator. it seems like conservatives are upset. is that what you're hearing and should we read bannon behind that breitbart headline? >> yes. the relationship was very close with him being incharge and still is. on the hill you've already seen some senators come out publicly, senator lindsey graham, senator

i did not see it coming, but i covered bannon, breitbart, this populist uprising.election morning, i spoke to bannon. looking back, it did come into focus, the whole story and how these two men are interwoven and lead this upset. charlie: tell us this story. josh: trump and bannon met in 2010. bannon has this wild background. he was born to a democratic navy family in richmond, virginia. went to the navy. he eventually went to hollywood and opened up a boutique investment bank, financing and cutting hollywood deals. and like so many people on the money side in hollywood, he wanted to go over to the creative side. he had this deep, almost sublimated conservatism that he had not shown at harvard and goldman sachs. once he started making movies, he gave full flower to that. he made a venerating documentary about ronald reagan that brought him into the orbit of a group of los angeles conservatives led by andrew breitbart, the late conservative publisher and provocateur. bannon became infatuated. his ability and his power to control the media narrative to help shape sto

steve bannon and breitbart.s he?rumps univers in trump's world, you are always rising or falling. the innert out of circle by kushner, by cohn, some of these people that disagreed with him when he proved not to be effective. but the russia scandal came along and all of a sudden, a lot of people in his inner circle and his own family are embroiled in very serious scandals. charlie: and a fight for survival. josh: a scandal that trump himself inflamed by firing james comey, the f ei director. -- the fbi director. charlie: advised by jared kushner to do that. josh: that is what my white house sources tell me. that steve bannon had warned against it. warned against firing comey. what broadband and back is that just before trump left for his foreign trip in may, attorney general jeff sessions had recused himself. rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, decided that they needed to impose a special counsel and chose robert mueller. a very serious man. a real threat to the president. if he's done anything wrong --

rush limbaugh, drudge, breitbart.e this with regard to the conservative media, which we know the president pays very close attention to, is this a war with the president yet? >> well, we're not quite at a critical mass yet, but it does show just how revered and important jeff sessions has been as a figure in the conservative movement, particularly at breitbart. i mean, it's been talked about how steve bannon at the time that he was running breitbart, who was now in the white house, tried to recruit jeff sessions to run for president. and when jeff sessions eventually endorsed donald trump, breitbart called it the most meaningful endorsement that trump had gotten to that point. so, this is a very revered, central character to the conservative movement, and the fact that he is coming under assault from the president has really put everybody kind of in the middle of it, whether it's rush limbaugh or commentators like ann coulter or organizations like breitbart, they don't know what to make of it but it shows the painstak

arthel: well, speaking of breitbart, we all know that steve bannon left breitbart to join the trump campaignd we also know he is now the president's chief strategist. so it's been widely reported, david, that bannon as well as white house chief of staff reince priebus were furious over president trump making scaramucci the communications director. what is scaramucci's personal messaging behind giving his first interview to breitbart where bannon was once editor at large? >> i think you answered it, arthel. i think he's -- it does -- i think it's pretty simple the think that scaramucci's a smart guy. he's got a new job, new bosses, and he is trying to curry favor with one of his big bosses by giving his first interview to that big boss' former place of employment. arthel: and finally, what would you say is scaramucci's strongest skill set aha he's bringing to washington, and will he be able to fix the plumbing at 1600 pennsylvania avenue and stop the leaks? >> no, he will not be able to stop the leaks. i think the leaking is a bigger phenomenon than any one individual at the white house can d

what is the calculus for breitbart's move not to do so? >> what you are seeing the conflict of interest they have, and they are trying to maintain their proximity to power. i have seen what is like when breitbart goes full tilt against somebody. it is a nonstop grind of stories. you are talking 20, 30 stories a day calling on people to apologize, calling on people to have consequences if they don't apologize. if breitbart were going to go behind jeff sessions and take on donald trump, they would be calling every republican member in congress asking them to condemn what donald trump said about jeff sessions and writing a story about every single one of those and they're not doing that. >> they want the power and they see having influence with the president? >> that and i think you can't underestimate the impact steve bannon has on the editorial direction that breitbart takes. when they started going after jared kushner, a lot of people assumed that was under the direction of steve bannon. all of a sudden they went crickets on those attacks.

found people within the church but in london, breitbart london, he was a platform for nigel.he told me i talked to him after the election i don't think brisk it -- brexit would have happened without steve bannon. >> rose: he is back. >> in trump's universe you are always rising or falling one of the other and he surrounds himself with these various factions and keystones. when one is eclipse, the other is rising. bannon rose up after the election. he was cashed out, cast out of the inner circle by kushner and cohen and some of these people who disagreed when he proved not to be effective. but as you say the rush you scan -- russia scandal came along and people in his circle and family are embroiled in a very very serious scandal that trump -- >> rose: and fight for survival. >> a scandal that trump himself inflammed by firing james comey, the f.b.i. director. >> rose: advised by jared kushner to do it. >> that's what my whitehouse sources told me, via jared kushner and bannon had warned against. had warned against firing comey. but what really brought bannon back i think was

and curt bar dellau, former spokesman for breitbart news. this is juicy. let's talk. joshua green's book is full of anecdotes from the campaign. here's what he told about new jersey governor got chewed out on election night. >> christy had been working a lot of people in trump's circles. christie was smothering the president and christie had somehow arranged with obama's people that if trump won, obama was supposed to call christie's cell phone and he would hand it to trump. trump didn't like he was exerting himself and he's a germophobe and didn't want to take chris christie's cell phone. he disappeared pretty quickly -- that moment in the days that followed, he wound up going from being in charge of the transition and maybe ticketed for some high level job to being completely on the outs sent back to new jersey. >> so chris christie is trying to dominate. and a germ latent phone to a president who's a germophobe. >> this explains the mystery on election night. and joshua green is very well resourc resourced. it's number one on amazon today. i think they're taking us

no, they got fired up by breitbart, the only publication i can count on to cover everything i said. they said, i was unhinged and said in the headline that i said it is time to eliminate trump and bring him to his knees. the "washington times" didn't watch the speech, but saw breitbart's fair and balanced coverage and said i threatened the trump with physical violence. fox news, then echoed the idea that evening, saying i was threatening violence and would bring our violent movement to every neighborhood in america. so by the time you got to the daily stormer, that white -- whip cream on the top of white nationalist neo-nazi banana split, they cited the fox news story and read the headline quote, subversive bean man call for trump's elimination. if fox, bart, and daily storme, report something it's got to be true i thought. so i went back to the video to see if i had threatened to assassinate the president. you know what? i didn't. here's what i said this past saturday. quote, i'm going to make sure that i am there to make sure of write those t we articles of impeachment and take th

this would partly explain why breitbart is very frequently very critical of megyn kelly. they still publish stories about ratings. never skips an opportunity to criticize megyn kelly. speaks to bannon and his seeking media targets. the president is anti-media attacks. kelly was an early preview of what this presidency was going to be like with these attacks against the media. this book has fresh insight about how bannon thinks about the press. trump doesn't have much else to celebrate but his attacks on the media. >> but it also shows you that steve bannon is more interested in attacking figures that are more center right than the left. there's nothing bad about nancy pelosi but attacks on paul ryan, megyn kelly. that's what what steve bannon likes. that's one of the big things that breitbart has done is this struggle between the paul ryans of the world and the donald trumps of the world. >> and what did we see today? donate a dollar we'll give you a fake media, fake news bumper sticker. it's ridiculous but it's also outrageous these daily attacks and this is straight fro

walk us through what breitbart is doing. >> i think breitbart is trying to illustrate what got steve in trouble. remember when steve was on the cover of time magazine, that's kind of when the dissension between him and trump started. trump was vocal this kind of smacking down steve. there's speculation that steve may not survive at that point in time. now breitbart is trying to illustrate that this guy is doing the same thing that got you so upset at steve hoping that either creates a situation where trump comes down on scaramucci or maybe he backs off a bit in his public attacks of steve bannon. the reality is whether it's jeff sessions on steve bannon and reince priebus, these are people very publicly humiliated by one of their own colleagues. doesn't report to the white house chief of staff. this isn't going to stop. i think scaramucci is trying to remove anybody that could be an obstacle to his power base. these people within the white house build their own center of power and they have the upper hand and the new shiny toy on the shelf, they try to use that moment to neutralize a

i will not trust breitbart. because breitbart has a history of doctoring video. breitbart has a history of doctoring the facts and distort them going back to the former assistant secretary of agriculture incident which helped put them on the map. it turns out making her look like having a racist speech. indeed when you looked at the whole tape, it was nothing of the sort. it was that organization. now they're getting credentialed, at least in some parts of this town. thank god my former colleagues booted them away when they asked for credentials. because we have to have some standards about who's actually doing the job. >> and the first amendment is not -- it's not for the government to say you're a legitimate news organization and you're not. it really is the ultimate free marketplace of ideas. self-policing i believe is the way we will do this. to have a central repository to say this is factual and this isn't, there are people who say scientists, people with phds don't know what they're talking about. i don't think it's possible to have a central repository wh

. >> his life was the same when he was running breitbart. now that he's running white house. >> he's been successful. he has a group of people that listen to him, sort of his group of conservatives. he brings that to the table. that's a relationship they have. it's no different in that regard to any president that has someone in his coalition. >> you're right. many presidents have people like that. >> breitbart and so forth it is a mini army. bannon was able to grow this especially after andrew breitbart's death, grow this into a mini army that overtook cpac and part of why trump was so successful with red hats and walls that a movement got behind. >> are we not going to talk about the fact what that breitbart crowd is, basically neo-nazis and the like? we're not going to bring that up. am i the only person who looked at that interview and thought this is hilarious. the i don't know way they can get this man to focus, it's kind of shady. the only way they can get him to focus is give him a four-letter word. say wall and talk about immigratio

i will not trust breitbart historybreitbart has a of doctoring video. breitbart has a history of the facts and distort formering back to the assistant secretary of agriculture incident which helped put them on the map and it turns out making her look chirac, making it look like she was having a racist speech when indeed you looked at the whole thing, it was nothing of the sort. it was that organization and now they're getting credentialed at least in some parts of this town. some committees booted them away when they asked for credentials because we have to have standards about who's job. the >> and the first amendment is not because the first amendment, it is not for the government to say you're a legitimate news organization and you're not. it really is the ultimate free of ideas.e is thelicing, i believe, way we will do this but to have a central repository for saying factual, this isn't factual. there are people who say that with ph.d.'s,ople people with years of research and publication and teaching under their belt don't know what they're talking

is some conservative columnists that say like charles krauthammer, but if you look at hannity and breitbart among trump's real supporters they are not buying that anything happened here. >> sreenivasan: anything change here? >> in our political world i'd be kind of confident saying yeah, if the republicans in congress get really tough on trump, what's going on, this is a hostile foreign party here, what's going on, among trump's supporters they're not all that happy with the republicans in congress anyway. you see declining poll numbers about what republicans think of the republican congressional leaders, you see some really sharp attacks ton part of breitbart and radio personalities like rush limbaugh and sean hannity, you might be raising taxes on us, they are not blaming trump. republicans begin to say in congress if this russia thick is going to bother us, i'm not saying that it's an occasion to leave the reservation. >> sreenivasan: looks like health care vote is going to be poarved at least another week. if it comes up for avote and doesn't pass, any consequence for the president? >>

ill a spring in the guest jack montgomery's a writer at breitbart london also a spokesperson for the levy you campaign good to have you on jack i mean this isn't something that's been made up liam fox says that you'll see the phrase despite briggs and we've checked in the dozens of times in the coverage why are we seeing those words that despite briggs so often. it's absolutely a real thing and the reason we're seeing it so often is because there is a trend a think among much of the mainstream media and among much of the staff of the b.b.c. if not everyone to try to paint has is a disaster the narrative is already in place that everything's falling apart and anything good happens and anything that bucks the narrative of we're heading for the edge of the cliff has to be a surprise an exception this is happened despite not because of or not because we're not heading off the edge of the cliff but it's something that you know is remarkable you know if you look for liam fox to say. don't promote positive stories or they put a certain spin on positive stories i think is absolutely true you

and you know there are other ones like shareblue which aspires to be the breitbart of the left.uis memch who has gra gained an incredible following on twitter. who has a column that traffics in conspiracy theorys about russia and trump and will go way further than kind of the credible news outlets like the atlantic and cnn will go. >> i guess the point that needs to be made is that it might come from a conspiracy theorist, via twitter on the left. the way that it has on the right. but there's, what do you call it, vip validation that sometimes take place? >> right. that's the key thing here. because i bet a lot of your viewers are watching this and saying i'm a liberal and i've never heard of the palmer report or -- >> exactly. >> but in fact, the reality is i document this in my story. there are, are very influential, important prominent people, whether they're from academia or politics or you know, they are authors or celebrities who will share these stories from the kind of liberal online fever swamps and they'll share them on twitter without saying i know for a fact this is

and the first battle is going to be centered around this man, former breitbart news editor currently of the daily wire, ben shapiro. he is featured in a poster saying can ben shapiro do what other conservatives could not and speak at berkeley? find out on september 14. the university hasn't found a proper venue for his speech, they say so far. >> student reaction is mixed. >> this is nothing to be able to test this one spot to make safe. it's a colonialist action to say every space must be acceptable for us and our bigoted ideas. >> i don't care with his intentions. i care that he has the right to talk and to express himself. >> reporter: you may remember the demonstrations earlier this year as conservative speakers like milo yiannopoulos and ann coulter had announced plans to speak on campus including this protest that turned into a riot. they never spoke. both were planned by college republicans. if the university's draft plan stands, groups will be asked to request space at least 8 weeks prior to major events. they must submit publicity materials to an adviser at least five weeks

breitbart is down about 13%. newsmax is down about 10%.et, if you look at some of the other sites, politico is up about 25% year over year. the new york times is up about 30%. and the washington post is up about 22%. a lot of this reflects the changes in what people are interested in. all of those sites are way down past the election. so after the election, people just got bored. but a lot of this reflects the news cycle and what people are looking for in news. liz: great to have you, michael. >> great to be here. liz: thank you very much. crunching the data and crunching the scoop between media and all things digital. thank you so much. >> exciting times. liz: michael wolf, activate partner. just about 26 minutes to go before the closing bell rings. we've got so much more. stay tuned. look at this. dow 21,411 right now. >> i'm nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange with this fox business brief. the dow jones industrial average higher. the s&p 500 and the nasdaq, the dow gaining 95. the s&p up 15, the nasdaq up 53. s

he ran breitbart and now of course he's one of the president's top strategists.rump's powerful media network is much bigger than ben. let's take a look at the pro-trump media universe. it includes rupert murdoch and fox news not to mention sean hannity and the cast of fox and friends, then there's news max and info wars, radio hosts like rush limbaugh, breitbart and the drudge report and the national enquirer. yes if you look at the enquirer recently you can tell when you're checking out at the supermarket that it's become pretty pro-trump. the enquirer made news, when joe scarborough and mika brzezinski claimed the white house used the threat of a damaging national enquirer story to try to affect and influence their coverage. trump denied this but scarborough said he has receipts. he says he has text messages proving that there were communications between trump aides and scarborough. essentially what scarborough says happened is they keep reaching out to him and saying if you call up the president and apologize, the enquirer won't be mean to you. we'll get the p

. >> guest: one of the first people capitalize on this was -- breitbart has run numerous piece about me and my family. i think the first one was called pie lying greedy promick excuse maker of video games and that linked to nude photos of me and my dad's home address and stuff like that and they just sort of -- it's weirdly extremely personally and not personal as all at the same time because i was a convenient standin for the anxiety from the gamings side and so many people from all different walks of life are making games and for people like them and they're that, this is mine you can't be here, and then there's just the entire online people who like yelling at anybody they perceive to be remotely feminist, even if your feminist amounts to please stop sending me death threats. so many axises of nice make trash that lined up. was in the wrong place at the wrong time. >> host: when you first found this blog post online, where were you and how did you find it? >> guest: it's on me. i was actually out with friends, with my new boyfriend, about to -- he accepted a job in france and i wa

it is not really a surprise if breitbart or rush limbaugh would come to his defense.e represents the base. >> exactly. going back to the sort of model of the war on drugs, escalating sentences for nonviolent drug offenders. your property can be taken even before you're convicted of a crime. he pursued all those agendas. what is remarkable. the president was very open about the fact that he was explicitly thinking about russia when he fires his fbi director after telling him to basically back off flynn. the president is tell graphic, he doesn't like jeff sessions because jeff sessions recused himself in such a fashion that he could not control gt direct or manipulate an investigation into the president. >> and what is so interesting here, he complain that's jeff sessions didn't tell him about this ahead of time. but jeff sessions wouldn't know ahead of time that there was this kind of russia investigation going on before he came in. and that he would have to recuse himself. career justice department lawyers came to him when he first got there and said, this would be a

the breitbart wing, the steve bannon wing. talk about the impact among the base if he were to fire somebody and if he continues disrespecting somebody that actually has believed the same things his entire life and fought for nthem even when donad trump was giving money to hillary clinton, barack obama, chuck schumer and others. >> you hit the on the key point that jeff sessions provided him with political cover when there were conservative republican voters who looked at donald trump and said i don't know that that guy believes in what i stand for. jeff sessions was the embodiment of that conservative national strain of politics that ultimately delivered the white house to donald trump. so in distancing himself from sessions, what i will describe as cyber bullbullying, he's cyb bullying him into resignation because he won't say it to his face. he's ultimately conflict averse. you're left with a situation in which the right is starting to break from trump in a pretty significant way. you have rush limbaugh, who is not only a le

. >> bannon before joining the trump campaign was famous of being the chairman of breitbart news, thatas as eager and in some cases more eager to attack republicans than it was democrats. and if you were a politician that had come under the crosshairs of breitbart, you probably didn't have a good feeling about steve bannon. so there was a sense that bannon would burn it all down in trying to plop up his nationalist ideas. and in the end he became white house strategist. and one of the interesting things to me is watching bannon be forced to make alliances with the likes of paul ryan and mitch mcconnell, and people he had slandered in his past role. and he depends on them to pass legislation, although that's not going very well so far. >> he seems to be a survivor, obviously he's been in the crosshairs with a lot of these rumors about white house shake-ups and he's really kind of figured out how to navigate that. >> he famously clashed with mcmaster being -- >> one important thing to note, bannon has a very good working relationship with kelly because kelly has been willing to enforce a

>> guest: well, i mean, one of the first people the capitalize on this was -- [inaudible] breitbart has run numerous pieces about me, about my family. i think the first one was called lying, greedy, promiscuous -- [inaudible] video games, and that linked to, like, it linked to nude photos of me, and my dad's home address and stuff like that. and they just sort of -- i was -- it's weirdly, extremely personal and not personal at all at the same time because i was a convenient stand-in for all this anxiety from the gaming side of with the fact that so many new people from all different walks of life are making games themselves. and people like them, and they're sort of like, oh, no, this is mine, you can't be here element of it. and then there's the entire element of people who like yelling at anybody they perceive to be remotely feminism even if it amounts to please stop sending me death threats online. so really, there's so many axes of nightmare trash that lined up. and i was in the wrong place at the wrong time, i guess. >> host: o -- zoe quinn, when you first found this blog post onli

i noticed breitbart picked up his comments and wrote a whole story b. anything that supports this narrative that this is about the media, a fake news favorite, that's certainly popular. we're seeing that all over conservative news sietsz. that's important to recognize because it shows up in the polling. we're going to see another poll from "the washington post" that will show dramatic partisan divides in how this russia issue is viewed, whether it's a real issue or a hoax as the president says depends so much on what media you're consuming. >> his narrative, calling ate hoax a witch-hunt, it's still resenting even after his latest shoe that dropped. we're learning fired fbi director james comey just got a book deal? >> yes. he's out there selling auto book according to "the new york times" and just confirmed by cnn. he's going out pitching the book and he's probably going to have a dial in the next few days. this is going to get interest from all the big accomplishing houses. you think about james comey and the story he may be able to tell according to

breitbart news, former home of chief strategist steve bannon, taking sessions' side against trump, and they're not the only ones. i want you to listen to rush limbaugh and tucker carlson. >> it's all kind of a bit discomforting for trump to go after such a loyal supporter this way, especially when sessions made it obvious he's not going to resign. >> don't shoot the friendlies. sessions is the closest ally trump has in this administration. >> let's discuss now with political commentator matt lewis, and talk show host john fredericks. john, we haven't seen in you a while. we thought you didn't love us anymore. but now you're back. they always come back. sali celina, your reaction to president trump against jeff sessions. >> chuck grassley totally put the kibosh against anything happening. he said there is not going to be any judicial confirmations for a very long time. that pretty much sets sessions in there and makes his job more secure than ever. from what i understand, sessions has no plans on leaving, anyway. i think what we've missed about this sort of whole thing is that for trump

might be a bit overwritten, if you remember andrew breitbart you understand his style. so where does that leave us? so is what trump is doing good? the press are still a vital institution. we need transparency and accountability among our leaders. the press of the institution in america best positioned to do that. they have not been doing that. i don't know where the war goes. what should have happened after 2016 should've been apologies for how they treated trump voters. there should have been a realization that their narrative setting propaganda was not good for discourse. they should've hired from outside of their tiny bubble. instead, a part from a few mea culpas here and there, the media reinforce their problem. instead of firing their worst reporters they promoted them or hired them away. they did not make any structural changes. so this is the problem we face and challenge before us. the implosion of media credibility is a crisis. the ones you need to fix it are unwilling or unable and the health of the republic is at stake. on that cheery note, i am happy to tak

the, um, former breitbart news editor-at-large and current daily wire editor-in-chief, ben shapiro, inweet, the college republicans asked can ben shapiro do what other conservatives do not and speak at uc-berkeley? find out september 14th at ben shapiro versus berkeley. you may remember the demonstrations earlier this year as conservative speakers like milo yiannopoulos and ann coulter have announced plans to make appearances on campus including this riot forcing milo yiannopoulos to cancel his event. coulter's event never happened. both were planned by the group, college republicans. if the university's new draft plan stands, groups will be asked to request space at least eight weeks prior to major events. they must submit publicity materials to an adviser at least five weeks in advance. if university police think they will need extra security, the hosting organization will have to meet with them at least six weeks in advance. this policy is set to take effect in january after some public comment, which you know could be explosive. but in the meantime that first showdown that we're lo

because, you know, you have breitbart talking about this now, jim demint, a conservative, just tweetedions as a great leader who will defend the constitution and the rule of law. jeff sessions just announced something on sanctuary cities right now. so jeff sessions, you could say, is arguably doing the most of any member of his administration to implement what the president ran on. >> gloria, i respectfully so disagree with that. this mythical backlash. with all respect to john mccain, it would be exactly like his speech today where john mccain said, oh, this is disturbing, the senate shouldn't work this way, we need bipartisanship and then -- let me finish -- and then he would vote in lockstep with all the other republicans just like mccain always does. >> i think you misinterpreted me, jeffrey, because what i am saying is conservatives, the right wing of the party, you know, whom jeff sessions represents, those who are with him on immigration, those who are with him on sanctuary cities and a whole host of issues, those people are getting upset now. and they don't want to see sessions

he went on the breitbart news radio show and talked to them this morning and in that, listening to that interview and seeing what he said, i am skeptical that much is going to change because he seems to think the major problem for the white house is messaging and getting the message out. listen, president trump has a direct unfiltered line to the american people through his twitter account and even publications that they, the white house would consider hostile to them regularly report exactly what the president has been tweeting. so i sort of disagree with the idea that the problem they're not getting the right message out. i think trump himself is his own worst enemy, instead of focusing on his accomplishments, he constantly tweets his grievances and focuses on the scandals that surround him and i don't get the impression that scaramucci is going to change that. he's talked about letting trump be trump. >> be himself. that's right. one thing he said yesterday. i will note he did take a question from one of our cnn reporters there at the white house press briefing and has been a long, l

the fbi was looking into whether conservative websites in the united states, sites like breitbart newsinfowars, whether they might have knowingly helped russian operatives who were carrying out this attack. that was in march. investigative reporter peter stone and greg gordon, they've done a lot of stellar reporting on the cyber attacks by russia last year against us. and now those same reporters are out with a brand-new piece today. congressional investigators are looking into whether russian attackers had help not just from conservative media sites in this country, but maybe from within the trump campaign itself. whether the trump campaign's digital arm helped russians target their bot attacks and their fake news attacks to specific states, specific districts, in order to boost trump support in those states and districts. congressional investigators, of course, are not focusing entirely on this. it doesn't appear to be the central focus of their investigations. but we have confirmed separately tonight that they are in fact examining this angle. mcclatchy also reports tonight that u.s

the product were largely millions of twitter and facebook posts on internet sites like breitbart news as well as on kremlin-backed rt news and sputnik news. that was the scoop that mcclatchy had in march. importantly, in march, mcclatchy noted that those bot attacks, those were now the subject of federal investigation being led by the fbi counterintelligence. the fbi was looking into whether conservative websites in the united states, sites like breitbart news and infowars, whether they might have knowingly helped russian operatives who were carrying out this attack. that was in march. investigative reporter peter stone and greg gordon, they've done a lot of stellar reporting on the cyber attacks by russia last year against us. and now those same reporters are out with a brand-new piece today. congressional investigators are looking into whether russian attackers had help not just from conservative media sites in this country, but maybe from within the trump campaign itself. whether the trump campaign's digital arm helped russians target their bot attacks and their fake news attacks t

breitbart called sessions a man that embody the movement that elected donald trump. >> there's no needtreat him this way. no need whatsoever. >> reporter: white house aides know he's not resigning told directly by the attorney general's chief of staff. the president's spokeswoman sounded like he might be allowed to stay. >> you can be disappointed in someone but still want them to continue their job. >> reporter: those close the president's attacks have stung but the attorney general hope to stay in a job he loves. >>> we're doomed. millions of people on the streets and we got to do something. and we got to do it now. [ laughter ] ahhh. >> makes you miss that impersonation. comedian larry davis spot on impression of bernie sanders on snl. they are actually distance relatives. he recently found out on a pbs series "finding your roots." >> no surprising. overnight justin justin bieber hit a paparazzi photographer while leaving a church in beverly hills. bieber was behind the wheel of a black truck surrounded by paparazzi. as he pulls away he clips a photographer. the photographer was tra

is that what you're hearing and should we read bannon behind that breitbart headline? >> yes.p was very close with him being incharge and still is. on the hill you've already seen some senators come out publicly, senator lindsey graham, senator cornyn. sessions was a good friend to many senators for many years. morale is low in the house among cabinet members. they are looking around saying senator jeff sessions was one of the earliest trump supporters and most loyal even though he recused himself. who of us is next. when you have that kind of feeling it's hard for people to work together and get on board with the president's agenda. conservatives on the hill and within the cabinet are very, very nervous about this. what is really interesting is he's asking how this will play in the media and that trump carh about how it plays in the media in this case. what people need is stability. the american people are looking at a government which is -- >> i think things feel very stable. very stable. >> one of the most stable in history. one of the most stable moments in history. this i

one of the early fights was between bannon and his crowd of breitbart nationalists as members of theshment. after a month or two, they had a joint appearance at cpac, and behind the scenes they worked together fairly well too. i think the problem is, there are other factions in the administration, jared kushner, some of these other people who have turned against both of them and it seems pretty clear that priebus and bannon even with their joint wonder twin powers aren't able to fend off kushner, scaramucci, and some of the different factions that seem to be more acen dent in the white house right now. >> your book goes into great detail about bannon's plan. this plan that he had concocted for years to defeat hillary clinton when she would run for president. you wrote that bannon had built a trap that snapped shut on clinton. explain that. >> well, most people know of steve bannon from about the time -- they date his emergence in the popular culture, about the time he took over trump's campaign in august 2016, and helped guide trump to his upset victory. the other story i del in "dev

he worked at breitbart news. sides who was never taken seriously by anybody in washington because as chairman of breitbart, he attacked politicians in both paerts and nobody really liked him. but for trump, who was this outsider and a punch line early on in this campaign cycle, he didn't really have a lot of people to choose from when it came to political advisers, but bannon was more than willing to do it. and every time trump got in trouble during the campaign, even before bannon was his manager, steve bannon was the guy who kind of ran to his rescue and fought his battle is, so after trump made his announcement speech in which he called mexican rainists and drug dealers and came under all sorts of attack, bannon was of the guy who helped organize a trip to lor a dough texas to the mexican border so had that trump could double down. and his advice in the campaign, keep going further, don't ever apologize, don't listen to the establishment. and that was a winning formula for trump as a candidate, if not trump as

. >> woodruff: speaking of that, what we've read about steve bannon, breitbart, elements of racism, the right movement, antisemitism, how much of that is a strain here? >> it's a big strain and one of the affects bannon had on politics was to open up a kind of sleuce gate of people who existed on the reng of politics and far right talk radio and internet boards and rye to bring them into the mainstream political conversation by giving them a voice on places like breitbart news, and what bannon thought he was doing is marshaling these hidden political forces to go up against not democrats but the establishment republican leaders, people like mitch mcconnell, paul ryan and before him house speaker john boehner who was bannon's original target and forced to resign in 2015 in part because to have the energies that bannon and brite parent news unleashed in washington politics. >> woodruff: okay, on just a straight a measurement as you can, how successful has steve bannon been in getting his ideas across in this administration? >> well, it would be hard to argue that bannon hasn't been shocki