breitbart started to challenge what andrew breitbart saw as the left-wing or liberal dominance of the mainstream media. it exists still today to provide an outlet for conservative voices that would be drowned out or censored under the rules that silicon valley and the mainstream media have tended to apply lately. but i think that most americans still share the same goals for their own lives, for the lives of their children. and i think even though i am engaged every day in politics and political analysis and political reporting, i think that most americans have a healthy relationship with politics where it does not dominate their lives. of course i want people to take an interest because that is what i write about, but it is a sign of mental health when a person says i am informed on the issues but i do not get too involved in politics. we want people to be involved, it is the essence of democracy, participation in government. but most people have a healthy arm's-length relationship with politics and are willing to put those things aside. there was a statistic year or so ago saying ab

"the huffington post" and breitbart.h movements were rooted in part in the new way of thinking about people that came when you saw them as traffic, measuring interest and and went channeling it into action. what have we learned from that, as we look at a completely new media landscape, that in some ways is reverting back to the old, what were deemed sort of din dinosaurs, coming back into prominence as some of these others go away. >> there was this early moment on the internet, and i was marginally part of it, like gawker and buzzfeed, like you were flying and suddenly you had instruments and you could see everything and you could see exactly who was looking at what. and when it came to this kind of political stuff, you could see, wow, the most divisive stuff, sometimes the most, the stuff that pushes the edge hardest is what attracts people. and facebook built this kind of a mechanism, where they were looking for engagement, looking to see, what do people stick to and what will people comment on? and often people will

and he made a real study of social media, his studies huffington post, he had run breitbart, had just moved to the trump campaign. and the thing that he was, he was very interested investigated. and he was very puzzled that we hadn't just back to bernie sanders to the hell. what, why would you not just follow that traffic? follow that energy to become to him what right part has been to donald trump. and what was your answer? you know, that we had journalist ec standards that we were, you know, i mean it's a, this feels like a very lame answer, honestly. like what we're just trying to do. our jobs, as journalists were, you know, we think the fees and state we shouldn't, we're not going to try to bring it down these institutions for fun. when you look at, i mean, you and i have talked about this offline before, but when you look at american attitudes and i think these numbers are reflected globally, frankly, we're talking yeah, global audience. and a lot of the things i find interesting about your book in the u. s. case or also true. you're still around the world in the port ization is

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joining us now, economics and finance editor for breitbart, the one and only john carney. john, the polls are bad for biden, but no one saw how dire it was. this new abc/washington post poll, what really jumps out is a majority say trump did a better job on the economy, two-thirds say biden is not mentally sharp, and trump beats biden by more than 30 points. voters say trump is more physically fit, biden has less mental acuity. did that jump out to youing, john? >> it did. look, trump obviously did a better job on the economy. we had unemployment about right where it ises the right now, and we had no inflation at all. so now here we are with, yes, very low unemployment, but 40-year high inflation. so, you know, it's obvious to me that that's just the truth. people are seeing that. and hen they keep hearing biden say the economy's doing great, that makes people say, huh, is his brain not focusing quite right? because doesn't make any sense. i can't afford to, you know, buy groceries for my family, and this guy's telling me everything's great. elizabeth breath yeah. i mean,

this, again, live in their own perverted world where fox and breitbart in these things are a reality, and the same coach stations and talk radio, and what is happening is, and you just showed something, remarkably low. 30% 2% of republicans saying his conviction bothers them. >> yes. >> the other part of the country. this is not a guy sitting here with pocket aces politically. and yet he is treated like that. that is the amazing thing about this. listen, maybe the economy gets so weak that trump can somehow get the 270 electoral votes, but you know, this is right now, you would have to say donald trump looks like the weakest republican, general election candidate, everybody who's running or thinking about running. >> slight correction, he was found liable for sexual abuse, not indicted, it's a cervical civil proceeding,. i want to make sure viewers know that. yes, it is understandable because there are many different places. but it's fascinating to watch santos do a mini trump. congressman ritchie torres. today he tweets out, in all caps, witch hunt. it sums up the whole thing. it's o

breitbart reporting since last week five people alone in the tucson sector found to be on the same list. our team on the ground says they have seen people from around the world trying to cross into the u.s., including at least 30 chinese nationals spotted. the biden administration says border crossings are down since the lifting of title 42. we heard from the president about this briefly. here's what he had to say on tuesday. >> texas governor greg abbott says the situation is far from nationwide. help the lone start state imforeign relation in a new letter in the federal government's absence we as governors must ban together to combat the president's ongoing border crisis and ensure the safety and security that all americans deserve. joining us in the mission to defend our national sovereignty and territorial integrity and send all available law enforcement personnel and resources to the tex-mex co-border. florida governor ron desantis says is he deploys national guardsman: list of resources more than # hundred troopers. 200 law enforcement officers. some mobile commands vehicles and m

andrew breitbart, the leader sort of key, part of inventor of these new culture wars, was the cofoundernis, as you say, the leading proud boy, was advice. steve bannon kind of came to check out huffington post and learn from it. and then -- and in some ways, i think they adopted the license more fully than anybody, than most people on the left. they were most interested in tearing down these institutions that actually -- at one point, i want to see them in 2016 and trump tower, and i was then the editor of buzzfeed. and he was just totally puzzled at why hadn't buzzfeed go all in for bernie sanders that he had for trump, you know, not because he loved bernie sanders per se, but just that's where the traffic was, why just not follow the heat wherever it leads. >> certainly bannon has built a stunning amount of grift on the back of like his intellectual properties, if you will. but your sense is that it was always for the traffic. it was always for the money. it was sort of a part of the market that did not have an adequate response. so, they fill that gap. it wasn't necessarily an ideolo

i think because andrew breitbart once said politics is downstream of culture. my pastor said cultures downstream culture pas of religion. i mean, what you believe in,elie what you have faith and informs the culture you have and ultimately the politics that unfold where between culture and religion or faith, f because this feels likaie? a religious belief among those on the left, very different form of religious belief wheren does that come from and how do we how do we confront it? >>left well, i think if you're n agnostic or an atheist, you're going to invent your own gods. and that's sort of a tropeiest philosophy. inveand they've invented these e gods. >> for some , it's mother earth or a green deity. god for some , it's redistribution.o theror goddess. >> and they feel that they have all the fervent belief of the true believer. and they're intolerant in a wae a fundamentalist can be . and if you don't believebeliev transcendence and they don't, then you have these materialerha godsve mat the and they're polid they're not they're not forgiving. >> and so what

and he made a real study of social media, his studies huffington post, he had run breitbart, had just moved to the trump campaign. and the thing that he was, he was very interested investigated. and he was very puzzled that we hadn't just back to bernie sanders to the hell. what, why would you not just follow that traffic? follow that energy to become to him what right part has been to donald trump. and what was your answer? you know, that we had journalist acc standards that we were, you know, i mean, it's a, this feels like a very lame answer, honestly. like what we're just trying to do. our jobs, as journalists were, you know, we think that these and still we shouldn't do it. s gonna try to bring it down these institutions for fun. when you look at, i mean, you and i have talked about this offline before, but when you look at american attitudes and there's, i think these numbers are reflected globally. frankly, we're talking about global audience. and a lot of the things i find interesting about your book in the u. s. case. or also true. you're around the world in the port ization

section from "the new yorktimes," the comment section of the "new york times," i'm not talking about breitbart, page after page after page of citizens saying, for example, i have always voted democrat, my vote in the next presidential election will go to the candidate who has the most pressing issue. if only the president and my democratic colleagues would agree. we have a devastating crisis that is killing america and killing migrants. our border patrol agents and law enforcement community along the southern border are overwhelmed and crying out for help. i had a man texted me who works for border patrol and said we are at a broken arrow moment, we are overrun and have no place to go. we have a crisis and this body needs to respond and need to take action as we speak. mr. speaker, shortly, i will be offering an amendment the amendment is a very short one-page modification that makes clear that congress will address within 60 days the dangerous cartels confronting our country. and it will add the sense of congress to clarify certain language involving agriculture issues related to everify. mr.

stuff right off the breitbart and extreme right wings.resident stand firm, mark. majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history. another message suggests that donald trump was divinely inspired to be there to lead the republic. kate, talk to -- this is seemingly linked, also those messages thomas discusses with her "best friend" of course her husband clarence thomas. tell us about the role she plays and why this is so disturbing that someone so close to a justice, espousing those sort of radical dangerous views -- her husband is receiving, she and her husband are receiving gifts and payments from some of the movie influential on the right who have business in front of the supreme court. >> right. it's appalling, frankly. it is appalling. if you look at, you know, the bowl that justice thomas has in deciding some of these cases. the role. look at the "post" story this morning about the leonard lee other money, the case in front of justice thomas following that payoff, essentially, was voting rights. votin

reality when i went back was that people who were really instrumental to c populism from andrew breitbartof how the internet worked and in some ways had the stomach that a lot of us didn't, journalists didn't, to follow it to its logical extreme, to follow the traffic in the direction of saying things that weren't true to inflame people, and as facebook in particular figured out, that the way to keep you on that platform a little longer, to go from four minutes to five minutes a day or whatever, was to produce maximally engaging content which really synced up with the kind of either dishonest or really transgressive obnoxious speech that right wing populism -- core to this right wing populism, sort of poke the establishment in the eye, caused fights. facebook in particular had metrics that said, wow, this really keeps people commenting. they're all screaming at each other in the comments. and this kind of divisiveness produced engagement that the people who followed it to the logical extreme were steve bannon and the trump campaign. >> the book is a must read i want to say for everybody a

noting it blows up any idea of collusion, they write in their headlines, from breitbart, the headlinethe fbi should never have went ahead with the russian collusion investigation. in looking at the left-leaning media, the washington free begin saying msnbc takes less than half an hour to complete her dutch to declare -- to declare it is a nothing burger. democrats 20 -- democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. good morning. caller: i have called in a couple of times. this situation has spread the world. it has split my family. we've got democrats and republicans. trump should sue if possible everybody that was involved in this. host: i think we got your statement but you are a little in an out so we will go to doug in strasburg, ohio. it independent. good morning. caller: i just called to say it was a nothing burger like you said. i do believe what a waste of money. we've got a debt ceiling, that is terrible. back in 2008, they were higher than they are now. it is nothing -- it jim jordan is a disgrace to ohio. it was nothing. it is time to

andrew breitbart, steve bannon, were hanging around the whole time in the early days. trump. it was something totally different from, i think, what creators expected. >> congratulations on the book, it is here. >> thank you, john. >> can't wait to read it. talk to us about the idea of figuring out what goes viral, what takes off. >> yeah. >> i know the book covers some of that. you know, whether it is political, left or, as you say, on the right, even if it is something that captures the imagination, how does -- what is the science behind it? >> i think, you know, the basic shift that peretti at buzzfeed was the first to crystallize is the way media was going to be distributed was no longer opening a website, turning on the tv, but see what your friends were sharing. when i was at "politico" years ago, i had sort of seen that start to happen on twitter. when jonah was looking for news at buzzfeed, that's why i was drawn to it. okay, it seemed that's how news was spreading. it seemed interesting and harmless at the time. this is a great way to pass scoops around, great