brennen was head of the fbi.ersaw an investigation of possible collusion of a political campaign and the russians. there were so many russian figures involved in this it seems like it was probable cause or whatever, prima facie evidence. there was something fishy going on with all these meetings. how do you call that criminal to investigate that? >> it's hard to make sense of this. katherine is right. i'm a former i.g. and former federal prosecutor, so i've been on both sides of that. so what it appears durham is doing, it appears whatever he's doing should really be done by a combination of the doj i.g., we've seen his report and then the. c.i.g. if concerns go beyond the fbi and other intelligence agencies. and if and only if the. g.s find evidence of a crime, then the referral is made to the rest of it attorney with jurisdiction. >> jurisdiction is a great word, greg. what is the guy -- the u.s. attorney up in connecticut got to do with this except he's willing to take orders do do what he's told by the presid

he's attacked brennen repeatedly, called him a liar and every name under the book in his twitter feed've also established that barr is willing to lie and corrupt the truth and twist the truth for the president. and he's actually gotten durham to do some things that are not good. i mean after the horowitz report came out he did something in my opinion which is unconscienceable which is comment on an investigation. the president of the united states is weighing in and she has to make some decisions about whether or not she's going to protect the organization. recognizing, too, that she's run into durham before. and what we don't know is what really are his opinions of her, and that will make a big difference. he investigated her when it had to do with the destruction of the tapes in the torture investigations over a decade ago, and that may turn out to be a factor in it. she shaz some flerksict, but when that grchl subpoena hits the table, she has to turn it over. >> you got to this a second ago, but there is that question then john brennen specifically why the interests there. is it to

national security intelligence analyst john brennen.ious about your raection to seeing william webster come out and say what he has as well as a lot of people that you would expect necessarily to be outspoken critics of the president, feeling moved under these conditions to say something. >> well, william webster is one of the most immensely respected and revered national security professionals in this country. and i think he felt compelled to speak out because of what he is seeing happen to the rule of law and to the great institutions of the federal bureau of investigation as well as cia. and so he is exceptionally nonpartisan. he was a lifelong republican and he was appointed to the fbi position by a democratic president, jimmy carter, and served with ronald reagan and george h.w. bush. so he feels right now is really a trampling on not only the institutions we rely onto protect us but also the laws that have served this country so well for so long. i think it really speaks volumes to just how serious the threat is to this country's

we're way off here if those estimates by the brennen centers are right.tes that i just brought up some examples. they're doing something. but i'll ask you. is it enough? >> no. i mean, it's -- you know, all the experts are saying requires billions. i mean, the $420 or 25 million they allocated is certainly better than the zero they allocated for this year. but clearly, there needs to be a much more extensive effort. particularly, what we know now about russian interference in the 2016 campaign. the other side of this is we talk about the impeachment and interference in the election and the mueller report is in a way, putin has already won because what he really wanted was to undermine american faith in your democracy. trump winning was kind of a bonus for him. but all of these things are undermining people's faith in elections and what happens when they go to the ballot box. >> we get more and more information as the days go on here. and -- and the question might be here, cynthia, and for instance, "politico," had a recent report that showed, again, confi

th more important than his record, brennen has changed the culture of the football program in his three as head coach. >>> men's college hoops, san jose taking on starchltd we will check out a great sequence here, terry. this is fundamental basketball. everybody shooting threes, hitting from outside. not the cardinal, doing work in the paint. they dominated the spartans down low, 24-4 in the first half. that was the difference in the ball game. stanford improves to 9-1 on the season. they win it 76-58 with a victory over the spartans. as car da silva had 25 points. more news after the break. so, as you can see, saving can be quite simple. case in point, if you get xfinity internet and mobile together, big savings on your wireless bill. write this down, this is important. amy, this is actually a life saving class. what a nice compliment, thank you! save on fast internet and the best wireless network together. what can i say, i love what i do. that's simple, easy, awesome. get xfinity internet and mobile together and save hundreds on your wireless bill. you'll get unlimited talk and text

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but brett brennen showed clear signs of progress. he just got a contract extension.ve this university. i love these players. i think coaching is teaching and college is a time in their lives that is all about growth. what this extension means for us is that at this time of growth, it's critical for our players that the consistency of the teaching, the consistency of the mentorship, the consistency of the love is going to remain. it's not going to be stopped and started or changed mid-way through their process. that's so critical. the best chance for us to grow as young men into men is through that consistency. >> oh, my microphone is on now. warriors playing the jazz in utah. we saw glenn robinson with the dunk and the jumper. royce o'neal going the other way. dame onlee back and healthy for the warriors trying to bounce back from that disappointing loss from the knicks. warriors up ten in the second half in salt lake city. >>> baseball news, restructuring his monster contract with the nets. former a's slugger is giving up $10 million after his $29.5 million salary.

. >>> plus former cia director john brennen on the threat to the rule of law. >>> and new details on rudy giuliani's indicted associate and his close ties to a russian-backed oligarch. >> oh, wow. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. there's been a marathon session under way basically all day in the rules committee to decide the rules for tomorrow's big floor debate on impeachment. tomorrow's going to be the only third time in all of american history that there will be a floor debate and a vote on impeaching the president of the united states. tomorrow donald j. trump is expected to join andrew johnson and bill clinton as the only presidents in the history of the country to be impeached. if you want to know how the president feels about that, well, he sent an absolutely unhinged, deranged six-page tweet-like letter to nancy pelosi today in which he said, among a variety of other things, quote, you have cheapened the importance of the very ugly word impeachment, and, quote, more due process was afforded to those accused in the salem witch tri

john brennen, thank you so much for sharing your time. >> thanks, chris. >> that is all in for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. >>> my guest here on set this hour is going to be former fbi lawyer lisa page who has been targeted by name and personally and in very personal terms by president trump in a way that almost nobody else he has targeted who had anything to do with the investigations into this presidency has ever had to deal with. tonight it's going to be lisa page's first television interview since leaving the fbi. she's going to be here live on set with us in just a few minutes, so i'm very excited about that interview she has chosen here to be the place for that first interview. when you get sentence fd for a federal crime one of the things the court gives you the opportunity to do is have the court submit letters on your behalf telling the judge you're a nice person and very sorry and other than that you're great and the judge should be nice to you in the sentencing. and i don't know if all federal judges take these letters seriously when they're submitted in

they worked with brennen and masters. they have absolutely critical information about certain ukrainians' involvement in our u.s. election. their relationships with the witnesses who went before the intel committee and others involved in these allegations make them the most critical witnesses in this entire investigation. and the records, including their e-mails, their text messages, their flash drives, their computers, have information that will bring this effort to remove the president to a screeching halt. so we have article here from october 11th. carrie picket points out house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff recruited two national security council aides who worked at the nsc during the obama and trump administrations. abigail grace who worked at the nsc until 2018. was hired in february. while sean misgow, nsc aide until 2017 joined schiff's committee in august. the same month the whistle-blower submitted his complaint. and goes on to point out that grace was hired to help schiff's committee investigate t