war ii, there is an area called the brenner pass. it still exists to this day and is the main thoroughfare where there highways and railroads, where germany in world war ii main supplies came to this pass. and throughout the war, the allies constantly tried to bomb it into destruction, but they were unsuccessful. so, the story begins actually in 1938. you have a man that is an andover graduate the drops out of harvard and yale and decides to join the u.s. army as a private, but in 1938 he skied, he was a wealthy individual and he skied near the brenner pass and decided when the war broke out that the supply could potentially be cut, so fast-forward a little bit as he was a private, he then becomes an officer. he continues to formulate this plan that if you drop me behind the lines, by parchute with a pack of explosives i can destroy this of passes that lead into the brenner. and, in 1944 after the allies invaded italy, and hall is on a train from training as an engineer back from the east coast to oregon, he pence the letter that say

brenner finds that the security situation is beginning to get fried chi -- fragile.he government is very fragile and in his first week, he takes some very big decisions. things like the dedication -- d- bath a vacation --d de- baathification. the army had not been formally dissolved in the was a question about whether it was necessary to do so. you would not have an army to work with to do with your security problems. what you did you take of these decisions by brenner, which we had heard had been agreed to in washington before he arrived, and the impression that i have on this you wish to correct this is that we had barely been consulted on them at all? >> i referred earlier to the february, an implicit in that paper as far as de- baathification is concerned, although that phrase does not appear, we wanted the iraqi technocrats to be available to administer the system. as i understood it, baath party membership was a requirement to have a job under saddam. we said that there would be people who had joined the party because they've wanted to be civil servants, not be

brenner? >> healthcare, the jobs, and we will try to tie portman back to washington. >> one of the challenges that we all face is that if you just do a survey list and it would be hh care. the national security staff will pop up once in awhile. this is not based on what is on everybody's mind. when everybody agrees with the number one issue is, you ask how you make that issue mind. let's face it, are you going to accuse mr. portman of the fact that he thinks people should not have better jobs? that is tough to believe on the face of that all. -- adel. -- but it all -- on the face of it all. the challenge for us is taking the issue of the economy and jobs and passing health care as the number-one issue. how is it that we will do something for my campaign that makes me what the voters will be asking what they are answering. what issue is it that we should use to promote our campaign? part one is [inaudible] is that personal enough? is there a solution that you are promoting that that family or t

shah, going to be the paul brenner -- paul bremer of haiti?american casualties, we are still continuing to do our research. we know of one instance of an american casualty. we are continuing to be working through it -- looking through the rubble for others. we are hopeful. we still have several americans unaccounted for that we are aware of. so we will continue our search. once we have a more specific update, we will provide one, likely by the end of the day. i want to say one thing with respect to haiti. i spent a fair amount of time there and the last nine months. the haitians are in very proud people and properly so. particularly, this is a government that is committed to providing the kind of partnership necessary to be effective with an international community. this is a president who actually did have a prime minister and a team that provided the plan for how he could be rebuilt after the hurricanes and more particularly how ok'd could go about seeing the best economic growth that it should seek. -- how he could go about seeking the best

therefore, there is a question of the foundations supporting some of these organizations like the brenner how do we solve that? keeping the tax status of the foundation while they are supporting a lobby effort. >> we had to be very careful because there are some meetings, the brennan center is a tiny. there are some meetings that we do that they can't come to. there are some coalition meetings that the c3 has to stay away from. but interestingly, i'm trying to think. i know public campaign has a c3, a c4 and a 527. , cause, the both of common cause is a c4 piqua also have a c3. if a c3 foundation wants to give money, they can give it to our c3. a lot of what the coalition does, a lot of the work we do is grassroots that its education. it's not lobbying. so the c3 can do that. they can do all the public, the public education. a lobby team like myself, i can't take c3 my pic i'm a registered lobby. i can't do better and i to be careful that i'm not -- i can do almost anything, but i have to be careful in my organization who i bring with me to actually go on a lobby. because we didn't have t