we had a previous thing -- >> i cannot believe that you and brent bozel characterized obama as a liberal, nothing could be further from the truth, his guantanamo position, the war position. look, i like some of what he has done, for sure. i am going to vote for obam ano question-- >>> what a shock. >> but if he's a liberal, i'm not on the planet and i know you don't think i'm on the planet. >> sean: that would be mars. i don't know how to answer that, kate. i mean i. it's tough to know where to begin on that. but the two things, this is the president who has absorbed one-sixth of the economy to the government through shoving down the health care mandate, down america's throat and the other thing is, he believes so pervently in the role of government that he has taken the deficit, which he said was obscenely, unpay the patriotically high to $16 trillion in 3 years. if that's know a big-government liberal, i don't know what is. >> sean: we have two debate this is week eb, very, very critical. ellen, why do i suspect, if you had your way, you would choose who to win this nomination? >> jon