i mean, jimmy breslin i mean, first of all, new york was a newspaper town when nelson rockefeller went into politics in the 1950s. i don't know how many papers there were. of course, most of them are gone. but, i mean, it was a newspaper town, and it generated great journalists who were, first of all, great reporters but secondly also in kempton's case, police call analysts. c-span: he's long gone. >> guest: yeah. c-span: it came down from rockefeller, those galleries a howl of hatred of a human being who embodied everything these people had hated for 20 years. he just stood there and began his prose in the armor of a magnificent contempt. who cares what he said; it was what he was that night. >> guest: yeah. c-span: what night? >> guest: july 14 1964. "the new york times" referred to it as bastille day in reverse. it was new york versus the rest of america. not exactly a dispute that's gone away, i suppose. one that perhaps has been at least temporarily healed in the walk of 9/11. the fact -- in the wake of 9/11. the fact of the matter is the republican party, going back to 1912 when