lou: you think bret stevens has a snooty establishment way about it?dividual, they like having the dynamic they enjoyed and they don't want to share it. fred: i'm not going to name any names. but it's certainly out there, and we see it in the so much of the mainstream media that wants to do something that has never been done by the press, and that is to drive donald trump out of office. lou: i think we can be even more inelegant than we have been to this point. president trump ran against the establishment of both parties, the business establishment. the social establishment. and now he's beset from he quarter by the establishment. throwing billions of dollars at subverting his presidency. it seems to me that straight forward. >> absolutely. as a guy who is totally -- i think trump is shake it up. i hope. carley: can perform at the level he needs to. and i hope he can give the president the advice and counsel. lou: let's show how much threat they represent to this great constitutional republic. they have a new slogan point's a beauty. are you ready? ha

and two msnbc contributors, jason johnson politics ed dor at the joon root.com and bret steven a conservative columnist for "the new york times." paul, how troubling could this new report be not just for donald trump jr. but for jared kushner and paul manafort, who were part of the campaign? paul manafort knows how this works. >> it's a federal crime to solicit a contribution from a foreign national, a campaign contribution can be cash money or it could be anything of value, including opposition research, including dirt on hillary clinton. so when trump jr. says he went to this meeting knowing that this will foreign operative, this russian lawyer had goods or he thought he had goods on clinton, he's exposing himself to federal prosecution. it's not just trump jr. it's hard to believe that trump sr. didn't know about this meeting. look at what's going on. he's actively seeking information about hillary clinton. a month later he says if the russians have e-mails i'd sure like to see them. how does he not know that his sop, his son-in-law, and campaign manager go to a meeting with a russian abou

bret: so maybe now he does? >> i think that what he is considering how much he is getting grilled himself, i think that it starts to look sort of more appealing. steveny right about the fact that so many of the people that supported him, they really did support him because of those issues and every time he got into trouble during the campaign, what he did was pick it back to those issues like trade and immigration, fighting terrorism. it got him out of every single jam. he was talking about stuff that everybody was listening to and agreeing with nobody around here with even onto it yet. i wish that he would now, again, turned back to the issues he had a tremendous today and go back to health care. that populist message has gotten him out of so much trouble and he could get him out of trouble at this time too if he would keep beating up on jeff sessions. >> bret: we are going to turn to the big victory in just a moment. the sessions survive? >> honestly, it's unimaginable at this point. >> you have tapped him on the is a logical replacement. i haven't heard a logical replacement that is one of the biggest bars you have to clear if you want to remove s