brett giroir. doctor, always great to have you back on.ed to significantly scale back and call off his 60th birthday party with estimated 700 people. it will be just family and close friends. this is talked about as the right thing to do. what do you say? >> well i think it's good for the optics. i this if everyone were vaccinated, everyone were tested, everyone wore masks there is a good chance you could be safe. we're in the peak after delta outbreak with over 100,000 cases a day last week, hospitalizations going up. i think it is just a better example of leadership for him to tone this down. i'm sure he could have a bash on his 61st birthday but i think it is the right decision and one we should support. elizabeth: the pentagon will make vaccinations mandatory for the military. we heard that story was coming out. the variants are contagious. it is undercutting herd immunity. here is the debate and being raised in the media and "the new york times," should the unvaccinated pay higher health insurance costs? should the vaccinated have to

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brett giroir joins me in moments. first, to edward lawrence live at the white house. edward, good afternoon. >> good afternoon, trace. all options on the table is the way it's being described even when talking about the mandates in certain areas for vaccines. president joe biden says he's going to make it uncomfortable for unvaccinated federal workers. listen to this. >> federal workers will be asked to attest to their vaccination status. anyone that does not attest or not vaccinated will be required to wear a mask no matter where they work, test one or two times a week, socially distance and generally will not be allowed to travel for work. there's more to come in the days ahead. >> he says more to come. when the commerce secretary was asked about this, she said all options are being considered specifically when talking ant vaccine mandates. the covid czar for the white house here says that they're also considering international guests coming in to the united states. all of them would have to be vaccinated, show proof of vaccination to get in to the united states. fo

i wonder what brett giroir thinks about that. good to see you, admiral. to wear masks? >> well, very, very broad question. i want to say one thing. 100,000 children got covid last week. none of them got it from school. they got it from the community. if you want to protect children, get the vaccines. in terms of masks in schools, you know, the data are incomplete and this is another failure of the cdc to provide adequate data. wearing a mask in areas of high transmission is reasonable particularly for those 12 and above. 6 to 11, it really has to be a high rate. i do not support masks on children 5 and under. >> neil: all right. when you talk about high transmission, there's 11 states right now, add mir real that are seeing the spikes in cases to the tune of over a million. they include california, new york, new jersey, florida, et cetera. what is a safe level that you can say don't push the mask thing? >> yeah, very hard to say that, neil. you know that. it's going to be a number of factors. not just the rates of infection but what the hospitals look lik

we have former assistant director of health, admiral brett giroir.os" piece, reporting to a massive international dump, all kinds of data from south africa, public health in england, imperial college of england. all incredible stuff, folks read this on line and wonder where our officials are. what is the hold up with respect communicating this to the white house and maybe them communicating to us? i know some reporter brought up the fact there are not a lot of doctors assigned to the meetings at white house, that we have, that the public has? >> thanks for having me on and i think as you pointed out everyone knows there has been a lot of miscommunication, a lot of mismanagement of the information. i think the biggest telltale sign when you look at cdc's internal presentation quoting data from canada, israel because we don't have at that for ourselves. the most important thing for viewers to know, vaccine work against particularly against delta. india reversed trend because 70% of people have antibodies n uk, 90% of the people have antibodies. we're g

joining me a former member of the trump coronavirus task force admiral brett giroir., we got today headlines from the cdc director walensky, overall effectiveness for the delta variant and couple that with the booster shot development, how worried should folks be about us eventually being able to contain the virus? >> i think we will be able to contain the virus. we won't be able to eliminate it but the recommendations today, we saw them coming. we know that vaccine effectiveness wanes over time. so there is a time component. also the vaccines are just not as effective against delta. so i think the recommendations are sound. i have not seen data 18-year-old or 21-year-old need as shot. but particularly israel, gold standard in data, 50 and above are gets hospitalized suffering fatalities. this is an important step. charles: there is some scuttlebutt for lack of a better word that the white house might be getting in front of the fda on this. maybe a lot of this has to do with the news out of afghanistan in trying to change the subject. do you flow where the fda stands

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we talked a lot about this with brett giroir last hour and we had a lot of questions.artha said sadly, former head of cdc under trump. sadly i will predict in 2 to 4 months we'll have another variant and more infectious than the delta variant. if he is right we're dealing with this thing for a year? two years after that? >> dana: already in south america another variant has been ravaging that continent as people are migrating and crossing the border illegally and being allowed to basically get on a bus or plane and go to wherever they'll go until they have their hearing, this is one of the ways that you spread. also one of the reasons you need -- >> bill: could be -- with every variation of the virus it could become more transmissible. >> dana: that's how -- viruses are smarter than we are. >> bill: can a mask protect you or can the virus, depending on the variant of the virus can it pass through the mask? questions for doctors that are smarter than we are. >> dana: the white house says it has taken steps to alleviate the crisis at the southern border including moving

let's bring in a better mind, admiral brett giroir. good to see you. >> good to be here. >> the new variant, do you believe, and what do you want people to know? >> what i want people to know is, you can repeat this show multiple times in the future if we don't get vaccinated. because the virus will evolve. there will be variants and variants and variants. we're dealing with delta now, it's almost 100% of the cases in the u.s. the next variant is just around the corner. if we do not all get vaccinated. we've been saying this for months and for weeks. i beg the american people to understand that to defeat this virus, we have to get everybody's level of immunity up. and that's just the way it is, chris. >> how dangerous is the political pushback to, hey, you're not going to tell parents what will be done with their kids. we have a free society here, brother. you don't tell us what to do. >> well, you know, i do believe it's a conservative principle. and i believe in local control. and i believe we should empower local communities, local

brett giroir, listen, getting the virus is 1000 times worse than taking the vaccine and the side-effectshe vaccine. what the gop texas governor and florida governor are saying, this isn't about mask mandates. it is up to the parents and individuals to decide, not top-down government. >> well i'm not sure exactly about the legal situation in specifically, can the president order this school board to do, excuse me, can the governor order this school board to do something, but as far as mask mandates in schools are concerned, remember in my view, they're secondary to the idea of the schools being open and children being in the schools, enormous damage that was done to students in terms of isolation, lack of social development over the past year was incredible and cannot be repeated. so the idea of having them in classrooms but making them wear masks seems to me seems to be much less of a problem than having them take classes by zoom which was devastating. elizabeth: byron york, great to see you. come back soon. >> thank you, liz. elizabeth: up next, jason chaffetz. he is fired up about this

you back on getting sick with covid is a thousand times worse if you get vaccinated i am quoting brett giroir saying that any state forcing a covid vaccine passport must also require voter id if they want to continue getting election funds from the government. why do you support that? >> voter id is a wildly popular idea whether you're republican or democrat, vaccine passport on the other hand are widely unpopular idea with american citizens i'm against mandates for masks and vaccinations so for any state, right now there are four we have hawaii, california, oregon and new york to implement some form of vaccine passport just for you to go on about your day to day activities in life, for those states that are going to do that odds require voter id to vote in a federal election i think of no more better or equivalent kind of legislation and municipalities and states and counties where they require a vaccine passport and voter id for those states. elizabeth: 20 states including north dakota or say no to vaccine passports in the white house is considering vaccine passports for interstate travel,

let's bring in former assistant health secretary admiral brett giroir.al, thank you very much for coming on, we appreciate it. there has been a lot of confusion about a statement a statement had on this show last night between bret baier and the director of the national institutes of health dr. francis collins. here's what he said and i will get your response on the other side. >> can you definitively say to somebody that the vaccine provides better protection than the antibodies that you get from actually having had covid-19? >> yes, bret, i can say that. there is a study published by cdc just 10 days ago. in kentucky and they looked specifically at people who had had natural infection and people who have been vaccinated and then ended up getting infected again. so what was the protection level? it was more than two fold better from the people who had the vaccine in terms of protection than people who had had the natural infection. >> trace: you say dr. collins' statement is incorrect. why? >> so thanks for having me on. and i have enormous respect for

here now, brett giroir, former white house testing czar and retired four-star admiral of the public healthinst covid at the moment. you've got more companies, including apple, delaying return to office plans, you've got the white house pushing booster shots. most americans are just fatigued by this, and i am one of them. i'm asking myself, is this essentially going to be, you know, a two-year sort of war against covid? are we going to go through the winter and people will be working at home until next summer? >> well, thank you for having me on. we're in a very dangerous place right now with the levels of infections well over 125-150,000 reported. we are in a serious situation. however, we're many a much better situation. vaccination rates are going up. we know that if you have been infected, you do have a lot of protection. so although we are in a dangerous position right now, i do believe with the vaccine effectiveness particularly against delta and the trends that we're going to have this reversed within the next couple of weeks and, hopefully, get control of this for the final time. ja

let's bring in admiral brett giroir former assistant secretary and testing czar.bout what this moment means to get full approval. >> this is a very big moment in operation warp speed history and the history of our fight against the pandemic. prior to this we had emergency use authorization. what that meant is the public health benefits outweighed the known and potential harms. what this says today is we know the benefits, we know the harms, and this vaccine is safe and effective and every confidence can be given to that and americans should feel very good, better than they did yesterday about getting the vaccine. >> what took so long? >> it is a complicated process. there are many, many good professionals and credible professionals at the fda. it does take a while because all the data is looked at in detail. every page is turned. the facilities are inspected. however, again as i said before, i think it's unconscionable the biden administration doesn't have an fda commissioner even nominated to provide leadership. it is complicated. there is a lot of material and a