then brett mcgurk who was the presidential envoy for the global coalition to defeat isis. mcgurk's work spanned three administrations. now he's written an op-ed. trump said he's giving it new life. everything the administration had been trying to achieve. worse, strips the united states of any leverage with its partners and adversaries in the region. brett mcgurk, welcome back to the program. >> thank you very much for having me. >> we talked to you a lot over the years when you were all sorts of different iterations of envoy, presidential envoy. basically isis point man over the last many, many years. you have resigned. it was a public letter and a public moment. i want to ask you first the consequences of the u.s. pullout. we hear today the turkish president has decided and has offered to be, you know, the security force for manbij, the famous town in northern syria. what does it mean? is that a good thing? should the u.s. be happy the turks will take over? >> let me rewind the tape a little bit. when we started in 2014 when isis was controlling the territory in iraq and

troops from syria saying he hopes it doesn't happen until i sell is destroyed once and for all brett mcgurkthe former u.s. envoy to the anti eisel coalition says there's no chance of that warning the pullout will only give the armed group a new life let's cross over to. in washington for us with more reaction but first we'll speak to some vinge of it who joins us from ghazi inter palmer turkey syria border some very choice words by lindsey graham which will certainly prick the ear of many both in turkey saudi arabia and the u.s. . well it's you graham is one of those u.s. senators who does not known for mincing words he's called mohammed and selma and the saudi crown prince a wrecking ball in the past so this is not the first time these actually airing his views about how he feels about muhammad's online and how he thinks he is implicated and he's basing that on information that was provided by the u.s. cia earlier after the killing of. that of the orders for the killing did not come from a lower level operative they went straight to the top and it and the end indicted almost the saudi lead

troops from syria saying he hopes it doesn't happen until i see this destroyed once and for all brett mcgurk the former u.s. envoy to the coalition says there is no chance of that warning the pullout will only give the armed group new life is over been joyed has the latest now from go near the turkish syrian border. this is on the first time u.s. senator lindsey graham has voiced his opinion about how he feels the killing of journalist jamal to shuggie was carried out and who he thinks is responsible in the past he's called saudi crown prince mohammed bin salon a wrecking ball so it is not new for him to come out. and voices opinion about how he feels about the of what happened what is happening to the saudi government and the united states but his stance is not what the u.s. official policy is his president still thinks mohammed bin solomon is a key ally he said repeatedly that he does not believe that mohamed bin solomon had a role in the killing often at the saudi consulate in istanbul despite the cia coming up with evidence and conclusions that there was some sort of involvement by the s

from syria saying he hopes it doesn't happen until eisel is the stored once and for all while brett mcgurk he's the former u.s. envoy to the anti eisel coalition says there is no chance of that's warning the pull out will only give the armed group new life osama bin job it is joining us from guys end up in turkey close to the syrian border we'll talk about what he said on syria and i saw in a moment some of the first on saudi arabia and from i'd been salamon so he's spoken out again on that yet he was a very specific on what he means by dealt with. well that is very clear that lindsey graham has had a track record of how he feels about the involvement of the saudi arabian government in terms of what happened at the at the at the consulate in turkey where jamal khashoggi was killed he has added his voice to a series of u.s. senators from both sides of the aisle as well as human rights activists and other governments saying that the saudi government needs to come out in the open and make itself clare and transparent about what transpired instead of hanging and. providing death sentences to p

pushback within the american democracy to with all the pentagon is definitely against suit most seen brett mcgurk used to be the main interlocutor and that coming out in the washington post and on television yes very and the talk shows are doing very strongly against a change in policy. and bent but every tool and trump seemed to have essentially struck a very nice friendship these last few days or so they have now spoken three times and the first time they didn't present talk without consulting his he's a ties it just gave up on the northern syria so we have a great deal of policy confusion in washington it's not very clear. what's going to happen but there is not but one thing that will probably influence company who did suspect is that isis is not making essentially and marconi off come statement that he had been defeated in in syria so how the united states press and congressional leadership reacts and as they just a tad is going to be very important because of the accent don't they say look you long about it and i says if you eat country's going to be on the defensive we'll see and doesn't a

defense because of this move by mr trump there seems to be confusion within the administration mr mr brett mcgurk who was the u.s. envoy in the fight against isis also commented by saying i called him mr trump doesn't have a plan for syria this is a very dangerous situation it's dangerous situation for american troops themselves and for their for their allies the kurds who they had supported for so many years but it's also dangerous in the international fight against terrorism and isis because the american presence there and the tension that it is creating. stopping is an obstacle for the syrian army supported by the russian army and by the iranians to complete what they had started so successfully they had the syrian army is the is trying to clean up its own sovereign territory from these terrorists and it's supported by official invitation. government and by the russian army and the iranians to come in and support the syrian army and the syrian army and the russian army ever doing an excellent job and everybody recognizes this this this problem now will create a vacuum. when the americans decid

brett mcgurk, the recently resigned special envoy to the coalition said they could remove that 1% anddicate their presence in syria. but even brett back then said it not the same as an enduring defeat of isis if we didn't stay and work on stabilization. now that he's made this decision, question, we'll be moving out in four months, we've sent a huge signal to all the players in the region we have no intention of fighting isis in any meaning fall way, i think that will make it harder for them in the short term. >> the president said you don't want to telegraph to your add v -- adversaries what you're going to do and that seems to be what they're doing here. >> translator: if the u.s. does not keep its promise it made in front of the world and continues down the path of sanctions and pressure on our republic, then we have no choice but to defend our country's sovereignty and supreme interest and find a new way to settle peace on our peninsula. >> so how should the white house view this warning from kim jong un? >> totally predictable. i'm sure that the president's team actually was not

you forgot to mention brett mcgurk, who he has been the isis negotiator, very capable in the middle eastsince 2015, appointed by obama but very highly regarded under trump, resigned early. he was planning to leave in a couple months, just as mattis resigned. i just don't get it. and last point, there's an election going on in israel, and benjamin netanyahu i think found it important to stand next to our national security adviser bolton the other day to get a different answer. i think that's important to our ally, israel, i think, and all of a sudden, bolton has been undercut. >> the whole thing is remarkably confusing from a foreign policy perspective. jane, good to see you as always p jane harman, president and ceo of the woodrow wilson center, form democratic congresswoman from california. >> coming up, the health of ruth bader ginsburg recovering at home after doctors found cancerous growths on her lung and removed a portion last month. we will bring you an update into her health. ♪ (woman) one year ago today mom started searching for her words. and my brother ray and i started search

brett mcgurk, the envoy to deal with isis has protested the withdrawal. >> dana: i think you have tot john bolton and mike pompeo. they were just over in the region. the president said if we hit these benchmarks, that's when we start drawing down. general jack keane said we have a light footprint in syria. we don't have people on the ground fighting. we have advisors. what we know is that of course they will come after you. the generational war is not against isis. it's against radical islamic extremism. we lost four soldiers yesterday. we also lost an american on monday in nigeria because of al-shabaab which is an al qaeda offshoot. they come from somalia into kenya. this is a generational warrant i looked at people like dan crenshaw, michael walz, adam kinzinger who served and are now in congress and if said in the last 48 hours we were willing to go back over and over again. we believe fighting them there is better than fighting them here and every day that we prevent a 9/11 is a good day but we have to keep our foot, our boot on the throat. is that what they say? on the neck. >>

the person responsible for leading the isis effort, brett mcgurk, resigned. >> ed: the president saysowing down. >> national security advisor. sentencing hearing blows up. his private attorney is cooperating. my point is he's had a bad couple weeks. so he shuts the government down so all the discussions by the government shutdown not about the many problems. >> ed: he would argue he got elected in 2060 and by pushing for the wall. >> if you remember, his promise was i'm going to build a wall and mexico is going to pay for it. now he saying i want to build a wall but the american taxpayers going to pay for it. >> ed: we appreciate you coming in. president trump thinks he would've made a pretty good general. that's what he sent to danny's taking a swipe at his former defense secretary jim mattis. report from the pentagon coming up. two migrants in europe were discovered inside a mattress. you're not going to believe it. we have the details. stay tuned. the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock

. >> brett mcgurk until he resigned as a result of the syria withdrawal, he has an op-ed out in the postrump said he beat isis. instead he's giving it new life with the withdrawal. do you agree? >> when you say isis is defeated it does give them new life. like obama left in 2011, we saw al qaeda become isis. i agree on this. i will tell you my discussions with the president and that's obviously in the oval office. he's pained by having to make the decision. he's burdened by what the right thing to do is. that's obvious. i think he's cerebral in thinking about what the right thing is. he's had a wrong voice in his head for a while in the name of senator rand paul. >> you say he's weighted down by it. did you sense wavering, reconsideration on the decision? his defense secretary resigned over it. >> i don't want to go into it and reveal. i think those are discussions that should happen in trust. i will say he wants to make the right decision. i will say rand paul continually saying things like enough war is enough doesn't understand that fighting terrorism isn't a choice the united states

understand that brett mcgurk, who was the special adviserrer dealing with the -- chris: the coalitionired early in protest. so that's two. but i've been looking around, and karl is exactly right on who it exposes. in addition to that, there could be a turk massacre of the kurds who fought side by side with us not only in syria, but in iraq. and israel is totally vulnerable because of this on its northern border. chris: all right. well, one more summit to be continued -- subject to be continued. thank you all, panel. see you next sunday. up next, we'll be back with a final word. ♪ ♪ before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn, ♪ r stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? we used to play so beautifully together. now... for all-day, all-night protection. we can barely play anything... even cards with the girls. (vo) if you have bent fingers and can't put your hand flat, talk to your doctor. it may be dupuytren's contracture. (hand) isn't it time to do something about this? (vo) your hand is talking. isn'

understand that brett mcgurk, who was the special adviserrer dealing with the -- chris: the coalitionarly in protest. so that's two. but i've been looking around, and karl is exactly right on who it exposes. in addition to that, there could be a turk massacre of the kurds who fought side by side with us not only in syria, but in iraq. and israel is totally vulnerable because of this on its northern border. chris: all right. well, one more summit to be continued -- subject to be continued. thank you all, panel. see you next sunday. up next, we'll be back with a final word. ♪ ♪ ♪ introducing the new capital one savor card. earn 4% cash back on dining and 4% on entertainment. now when you go out, you cash in. what's in your wallet? chris: stay tuned to this nation and fox news channel for the latest on the continuing government shutdown. and that's it for today. have a great week. we will see you next "fox news sunday". >> we have a president that will go on tv tonight and lie and lie andly some more. >> we'll wait to hear him speak about the crisis on the border. >> it's almost like the

the resignations of both the defense secretary, jim mattis, and special envoy to defeat isis, brett mcgurkking a mistake? >> well, the reason that we're in involved is to make the world safer, which is good for the world and good for us. because we trade with places throughout the world. we sell products throughout the world. people come and go into our various countries, and we share not only culture, but education, technology, innovation. and so having a stable world where we can conduct trade is a very good thing for us and for the world. and so we're in syria with a very small footprint, about 2,000 people to help our allies there, the kurds. and in some respects, to provide some stability to that region so that assad or erdogan or the russians or the -- you know, the iranians don't rush in and slaughter people. slaughter our allies. >> so -- >> so pulling out on a precipitous basis without interacting with them and coordinating this with them and getting the input, for instance, from secretary mattis, is something which i think is very troubling to me and to a number of others. >> i h

so if anything, i think we've seen an affirmation of the former policy that jim mattis and brett mcgurk both stood up for so strongly and eventually resigned over. >> i know when that will be, because war on terror, war against a terror group, much, much to the distress of the american voters, democrats and republicans, is forever. those are forever wars. >> they are. and you don't get into them easily. you certainly don't get out of them easily. i think it's interesting when you look at all of the time line here, my analysis of it such as it is, is putin played a role in getting trump to leave syria. israel played a role in getting trump to stay or go back. and i think at the end of the day, the last phone call with putin was, you guys don't really need to be there. come on, this is draining your economy. this is not good. go ahead, we got this. we got your back. >> we got your back on facebook. >> yeah, right. and then the israelis are like, wtf, what are you doing? no. and made the phone call to bolton. >> whom they know well. >> whom they know very well and bolton is like i'm on the

brett mcgurk is on his way. he'll be here at stanford in the spring. we should have a seminar out here maybe and sit down with all of them. maybe mattis will be back, too, by the way. i don't have a serious answer. i think people get in the bubble and they think, well, better to keep duking it out here than to go out, but when these crazy things happen, how do you justify it? does john bolton, for instance, think that the soviets were right to invade afghanistan? of course he doesn't. why is he not doing his job better? he's a national security adviser sitting just steps down from the oval office. that's his job to make sure that the president doesn't say stupid, ridiculous, and for me as an educator, embarrassing things on behalf of the united states of america. >> that's as good a place as any to hit pause. ambassador, thank you, chuck rosenberg, thank you for spending time with us. >>> when we come back, hypocrisy alert as president trump threatens to have the government shutdown go on for years, years! over illegal immigration. new reporting reveal

wanted there to be a deal between the ypg and the regime at the end of this, including i think brett mcgurk as far as i know, in settings where he talked about the fabric of syrian society going back together again to use a metaphor. i think it was the -- i think it was the pace, the timing of the decision which was a concern to them and that's why i think you see elizabeth warren coming out from a different part of the political spectrum saying that oh, yeah, i actually think it's great to pull out of syria. this becomes a political hot potato so to speak because meanwhile, it's likely unfortunately that we're going to have more of these attacks by isis, they're desperate and militarily being defeated, the ability of these sleeper cells to carry out these attacks and you get a lot as we say bang for the buck. i think it will an issue in 2020 but unless it's tied to something much larger, i don't see it being the issue for the 2020 election. >> i would just comment i don't think it's going to come up. foreign policy is rarely an issue in presidential elections. i think that the -- if they t