let's now here in new york city, brett stevens columnist for the "wall street journal." what i'm trying to get at here, is that embarrassing, right? >> yes. >> nobody can defend it, right? >> least of all mrs. clinton. >> nobody can spin it or say it didn't happen. a congressman lied and we'll show you the congressman who lied in just a moment. but it's beyond a reasonable doubt, any fair minded person would say this woman is a deceiver and now wants to be president. i'm saying does it matter? >> i think in any normal political season, this would destroy her candidacy. back in 1990s, "new york times" columnist called mrs. clinton a congenital liar. it remains true today, fbi comey decided not to indict, the evidence laid out shows she's been telling untruths consistently for at least 15 months since march of -- >> in the biggest case, of the presidential campaign so far. now -- >> but it's not a normal political season. >> it isn't. you have donald trump who is a very polarizing man. i'm saying to myself it's going to be harder for people that weren't that enthusiastic a