>> i think we were, i think we were surprised, in part, because we had been used to, well, with brezhnev, then i can't remember his name,. >> rose: andropov. >> andropov and then concern co. >> cher then co, so rbachev was kind of a breath of fresh air, somebody we could deal with, as a matter of fact, margaret thatcher after the first meeting and said here is a man i can deal with. so we sort of took .. him at face value in a sense, but in the bush administration, when he came into power there had been a lot ofalk, well the cold war is ove and gorbachev's etoric was very different, but we didn't think the cold war was over, because the cold war was a division of eastern europe, and nothing in fact had changed on th ground. >> rose: why was the collapse peaceful? zbigniew. >> i think it was peaceful because it was so comprehensive. your basic question asked, was it because of freedom or was it because of economic conditions? and of course was it because of gorbachev? of course, it was all three, but they weren't all the same. for example, the request quest for freedom really wasn't withi