brian beutler and eric bates.to start out with the financial trend financial packs that i mentioned earlier in the show. dan, would that be a bad idea? a good idea? something that we should think about and hold in reserve for another day. >> i actually think it's a good idea. the economists say if you want something less of something tax it more. if we want less speculation and less out of control training by these crazy machines that are doing hundreds of thousands of trades a day to capture a fraction of a penny in economic gains, taxes it would discourage those and raise a fair amount of money in a fairly painless way in trading. >> eliot: would this be an useful compromise point? you want the capital markets to be liquid. you want to allocate capital efficiently among businesses and he cansectors. all of that used to happen before the hedge fund that were driven by computers. you could butt a transaction tax it on, do what financial markets are supposed to do and raise money. why wouldn't this be politically g

we'll bring in ken vogel and brian beutler. thank you for joining us.the president saying hey i'm taking my marbles and going home. your move. >> it's about a close to an ultimatum that you can get. i spoke to one of the speaker's aide's and he said that the speaker would be open to more negotiate. boehner wants obama to come to him, have the mountain move towards hoe mohammed, and the president is not ready to do that at all. and this plan-b to get obama to move has not quite worked. now boehner has to round up votes to try to pass it, and that's why we're in the mess we're in today. >> eliot: it seems to me last weekend they crossed their major ideological divide when they said they're raising rates on the wealthy the rates being the sand that they were not willing to cross. and the cpi the real entitlement cut it seems that it will be coming to reaching the middle ground and then things stalled out again. what do you think has happened to thank this. >> boehner has had a hard time bringing about his conference. this is a stunt and delay tactic and it