everybody knew it jim crow sort of prettifies or turns what was really apartheid and, as kirsten pit, or the age of racial terror what brian stephenson calls it. vaguely knew about something called jim crow and, of course, i grew up in the middle of the civil rights, so we knew about that. but the depth to which slavery continued or the effects continued, i think, is something that we simply didn't know. is so if you actually look at, if you say that legal discrimination in the united states ended with the passage of the civil rights act, with the end of red-lining, certain things like that, -- this isn't to say that oppression and humiliation and murder as with the police doesn't keep going on to this day, but let's just say the legal basis ended -- well, that's 50 years ago, you know? and that was about the amount of time that it took for germany not the reparations that were paid just after the war, but the ones that were to be paid in the year 2000 really sort of with a full heart and a full recognition, yeah, this is what we need to to do to make up forr history. so i know people talk about the historical differences,