de palma gave me the script. brian de palma. said you have to read this thing. >> you were going around hollywood with it. >> everybody said get away from me. i had not made "mean streets" yet. >> no one is going to make that picture. [laughter] >> did robert de niro suggest you take a look at him? >> before that. it was "this boy's life." i had not seen "gilbert grape." it was on television but i thought it was a documentary because the acting was so -- i did not recognize anyone. and then i sat and watched the entire picture and was amazed. >> are you able to make the movies you want to make? are you at this place? it is hard to find the ones, i assume. or maybe there are a lot of them. >> i am trying. i have a production company but it was set up to find material outside of the studio system, stuff outside of the box that could be shaped from the very beginning and catered to be something i wanted to do and as an actor. a lot of times it can be a great premise but it can turn into something different. so, i, even in my career